YTSEJAM digest 1821

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Wed Sep 11 1996 - 00:01:44 EDT

  • Next message: ytsejam@ax.com: "YTSEJAM digest 1820"

                                YTSEJAM Digest 1821

    Today's Topics:

      1) Innocense Faded
     by DreamNDay@aol.com
      2) Re: IF in PGH
     by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
      3) Incursion and greetings!
     by "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
      4) James' Voice
     by wuthrich@cougarnet.byu.edu
      5) Re: Van Halen
     by Craig Stearns <surfdog@execpc.com>
      6) anals vs. annals
     by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
      7) Re: Cairo/Magellan
     by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
      8) labrie
     by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
      9) testament and g//z/r
     by bosox1@ix.netcom.com (Craig Moran)
     10) Non-STYX: Track Listing for New Dream Theater (fwd)
     by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
     11) Re: David Lee Roth fired!
     by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
     12) Re: g//z/r
     by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
     13) Re: Kevin Moore demos.
     by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
     14) Re: Devon
     by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
     15) Wonderful...
     by kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
     16) Re: Stuff
     by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
     17) DID someone say........@@@@@@@@@
     by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
     18) Hmmm....
     by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
     19) appology
     by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
     20) G3 dates NYC
     by jbako@intercall.com (James Bako)
     21)
     by
     22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1820
     by sstys@earthlink.net
     23) Mike Portnoy's European tour diary March 1, 1995
     by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:03:33 -0400
    From: DreamNDay@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Innocense Faded
    Message-ID: <960910210333_520082237@emout02.mail.aol.com>

    Just so you know, I posted about IF a while back. Olaf Bode has a few
    bootlegs with IF on it (I lost Olaf's address, but I think Scott Cook has
    it). The trade never went through because I didn't have anything that wasn't
    on Olaf's list, so I had to send postage to Germany plus double the amount of
    blanks needed.

    =============================================================
                                       Life sucks and I don't care
                                            later--------------Brian
    =============================================================

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:29:57 -0400 (EDT)
    From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: IF in PGH
    Message-ID: <0mBVMJ200YUg0SEWA0@andrew.cmu.edu>

    i was there. they didn't play it

    cheerio!

    we'll steal your dreams ----william bajzek---- the realm of the freaks
    control your minds ------------http://--------- is to solve the demise
    persecute the fools ----phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu---- ravage the lifeless
    left behind -------------------/~wb2a/---------------- blinded by lies

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 18:51:20 -0700 (MST)
    From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
    To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Incursion and greetings!
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960910183757.20461A@moon.pr.erau.edu>

    Hello all!

    It's been a long, wet summer and it is time for me to return! Ahh...its
    good to see the war, strife and bitterness of the Ytsejam has not faded
    away...It reminds me of the good things in life...like DTC,
    Bafu-commentaries, and endless digests filling my in-box! :)

    Anyway, I have discovered quite a few good things in music during my sojourn:

    1) Fates Warning...easily one of my favorite bands now and forever.
    This summer I got a good listen of PARALLELS and NO EXIT. The Ivory Gate
    of Dreams is just...well...uhh...AWESOME!!! I love 20+ minute songs, and
    this one KICKS! Parallel's is unequalled!

    DTC - FOr those who don't already know (not many, I hope) James does
    backing vocals on "Life in Still Water" on Parallels (Song is my PF).
    Also, on Perfect Symmetry, Kevin Moore does keys on At Fates Hands.

    2) SAVATAGE - Handful Of Rain has to be one of those albums that all
    Prog fans must own. I picked up DWD last X-mas when I saw everyone
    gabbing about it here, and I was impressed, but not too much. On a limb,
    I picked up HOR anD WOW! This album is great in all aspects...guitars
    (Testament's Skolnik!!!), top vocals, emotion...its got the works!

    3) New RUSH!!!!!!!!
    I got TFE today, and I am thoroghly impressed....like I saw mentioned
    earlier, it sounds new and refreshed...along the same lines of
    Counterparts, with a bit of VICTOR rolled in...hard guitars...not too
    much on the synths, but its still RUSH.

    Well, thats about all for now...gotta run and get kicked out of a AAS
    pledge class! :)

    (sig under construction)

    The Devil's Plaything }|]
    papined@pr.erau.edu
    David Papineau

     

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:05:57 -0600
    From: wuthrich@cougarnet.byu.edu
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: James' Voice
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960911020557.006983e4@cougarnet.byu.edu>

    About the lack of "emotion" in James' voice:

    Here we see another example of another fallacy that has been fed to us by
    eMpTyV. Virtually every pop/alternative singer today equates "emotion" with
    bad and/or scratchy vocals (the best example of this is Alanis IMNSHO).
    Quite frankly, I cannot remember the last time that I heard someone singing
    on Mtv that had any talent. When a talented singer like James comes along
    and actually _sings_, it sounds odd to most people because they are used to
    hearing the grunting and groaning that usually passes for vocal performance
    in typical music on the radio or Mtv. The most emotional performances that
    I have ever heard are university or professional level vocal performances
    that were technically flawless, yet conveyed the feeling of the music with
    perfect clarity. It is such a rare occurrence for a vocalist that is as
    talented as James to be performing in a more mainstream setting (as opposed
    to broadway or opera or other classical forms) that we don't realize what a
    fantastic performer he really is. Of course, this topic could lead into the
    whole phenomenon of MTV elevating no-talent garage bands to the status of
    demigods whilst talented and educated musicians live their lives in complete
    anonymity, but I won't get into that. In summary, James has more vocal
    talent in his left pinky toe than every alternative singer in the entire
    world combined.
       

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:18:22 -0500
    From: Craig Stearns <surfdog@execpc.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Van Halen
    Message-ID: <199609110218.VAA13087@mailgate.execpc.com>

    Here's what Gerri Miller from 'Metal Edge' sent me today about the rumor..

    >Apparently the two had an argument backstage after the awards but it's ironed
    >out now. They're still considering other singers, I don't know if Gary's
    >still being considered or not
    >Gerri
     
    I wonder if Dave will stay if this continues...and to comment on IF on
    the Pittsburgh 94 show, I have the whole show, I don't see it there
    what so ever. Sorry!

    Craig

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 22:27:06 EDT
    From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: anals vs. annals
    Message-ID: <9609110227.AA15844@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>

    All right, I spelled it wrong, I am sorry, but remember something. The speech
    synth pronounced it as aynals. O.K. I should really start paying attention to
    what I type, but I hope it at least got a laugh out of somebody. Hey, I go to
    Monmouth University, of course I am going to be stupid.

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 22:31:22 EDT
    From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Cairo/Magellan
    Message-ID: <9609110231.AA21979@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>

    All right, I seem to see a trend here. Firstly, let me say that magellan and
    Cairo are not metal, if you are looking for all Magna Carta bands to be metal
    bands, forget it. Secondly, don't bother buying Tyson fights on
    ;pay-per-view, and especially don't buy tickets. Unless you like wasting
    money on 90 second fights. Tip for boxing fans, if you want to see good
    fighting, don't watch heavyweight boxing. The underweights actually give
    better fights, from my experience.

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:29:39 -0500
    From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: labrie
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960911022939.006d3e24@mail.inlink.com>

    >
    >I agree. I think that his screams are irritating live, and he tends to slur
    >his words together. I understand that there may be a situation where he is
    >tired, hot, whatever, but I like to say I have a pretty large collection of
    >DT bootlegs, and I haven't heard many shows where James can -really-hit those
    >notes the way he does on the album. That's all IMHO. Flame away!!!!
    >

    no flame... i've got quite a few boots m'self, and granted, james dont hit
    the notes live necessarily, but he puts so much more into it... the screams
    would be annoying if there was nothing in them, but i think after recording
    and letting the songs bring alive their meaning by the time they hit the
    stage thats when the more emotional side of the preformance comes. the
    albums, which tracks are done over and over, etc. etc. just lose out a bit
    on the feeling after all those times... a different kind of output is done
    onstage, one towards a crowd begging for it, one take at things, and really
    pushing the limits... all the complications done live with just five guys is
    simply amazing to hear, so i guess you could say I favor james onstage :)

                                                            ~Rip

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:32:41 -0700
    From: bosox1@ix.netcom.com (Craig Moran)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: testament and g//z/r
    Message-ID: <199609110232.TAA29833@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com>

    i saw that someone mentioned testament and couldn't resist. james
    murphy is no longer in testament because there is no more testament.
    they have broken up. james murphy (who has a solo album out) and greg
    christian are said to be working together. chuck billy, eric peterson
    and the old drummer from death angel have formed a band called dfg (or
    "dog faced gods").

    as for the g//z/r album, GET IT!!! it kicks ass. i can't believe that
    a 50-something guy, geezer butler, wrote something that rocks this
    much. while it sounds nothing like ozzy, a good way to describe it
    would be early sabbath modernized. i like burton c. bell's vocals, how
    is fear factory? i heard that "demanufacture" is really good... any
    opinions?

    later

    craig

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 22:54:49 EDT
    From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Non-STYX: Track Listing for New Dream Theater (fwd)
    Message-ID: <9609110254.AA01553@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>

    Forwarded message:

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 22:56:13 EDT
    From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: David Lee Roth fired!
    Message-ID: <9609110256.AA19276@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>

    Say what? David fired? What the fuck is going on here with VH? First Hagar
    leaves, then Roth is back. now Roth is gone. What happened at the VMA? Could
    somebody fill me in?

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:53:11 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: g//z/r
    Message-ID: <199609110253.WAA21082@atl1.america.net>

    >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I hope this doesn't signal the end of FNM!!! Anyways,
    >anyone have an opinion on G//Z/R? It is Geezer Butler on bass, Deen on drums
    >(or was it Randy?), I forgot who the guitarist was, and Burton C. Bell of
    >Fear Factory. Being that I LOVE Sabbath, Ozzy, and FF, would I like the
    >album? (stupid question).

    YES. You'd really like it I do believe. 8) I do, and I got it because I'm
    a fanatical FF fan. Bell is SO intense especially live. The gzr thing is a
    little repetetive, but overall I'd rate it around 8 out of a 10 scale.
    Geezer's bass really comes through on the album of course, and it's mostly
    downtuned death type metal. The last song on the end called Cycle of Sixty
    even sounds like an old sabbath song I think, kind of similar in style to
    Planet Caravan. Here's the band lineup:
    Burton C. Bell--vocals
    Geezer Butler---keyboards and that other thingy hmmm. figure it out! haha j/k
    Deen Castronovo--drums
    Pedro Howse--guitar

    And about FNM...what the hell is this??? Please tell me they aren't breaking
    up or losing Bordin, he's awesome. Oh Say it ain't so Joe!
    Beavis (Wes Foll)
           /|
          / ||\
         / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __
        //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ /
       //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ /
      / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \
     / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \
    /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\
                   \ || ||/ \_\||/
                    \ ||/
                     \|
    "What is, is.
    What is not, is not.
    What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 22:58:02 EDT
    From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Kevin Moore demos.
    Message-ID: <9609110258.AA15297@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>

    What's missing from TFE? Keys!!!

    Just kidding, well sort of. I think TFE sounds more energetic and creative
    than CounterParts. CounterParts sounded like they had run dry compared to tFE.

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 23:00:06 EDT
    From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Devon
    Message-ID: <9609110300.AA00650@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>

    Well, since I never heard his stuff, I can't say, but I can say that even if
    he is good he did not do natural science justice. IMNHO, of course.

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 19:59 PDT
    From: kretschmer@bdt.com (Jon Kretschmer)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Wonderful...
    Message-ID: <v01510100ae5b7903e14d@[206.14.103.54]>

    The Ytse-DreamNDay-Jam is back in full effect, this time with only about 7
    consecutive messages...

    :p

    Jon

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 23:06:13 EDT
    From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Stuff
    Message-ID: <9609110306.AA04006@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>

    Brian. It was yesterday since you posted 20 times in one day.

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:09:42 -0500
    From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DID someone say........@@@@@@@@@
    Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.10.-10.9.42.3821.8240@clubmet.metrobbs.com>

    Did someone say David Lee Roth was fired. mmmm..... for real.?

    The guitar 3. vai/satc/eric...I CANT WAIT...

    Does anyone know if KINgs X is going to be towards the midwest again?

    Cool new Dream Theater stickers can be found at:

                           http://www.dreamt.org

    (look in merchandising)

    see ya

    todd s

    market@clubmet.com

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:18:17 -0700
    From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Hmmm....
    Message-ID: <199609110318.UAA14589@m5.sprynet.com>

    >Oh, come now. You all know that I've been condensing all of my posts into
    >one.

    Er....

    > 2) Stuff
    > by DreamNDay@aol.com
    > 3) Stalker Song
    > by DreamNDay@aol.com
    > 4) G//Z/R
    > by DreamNDay@aol.com
    > 5) Anthrax
    > by DreamNDay@aol.com
    > 6) Hey...
    > by DreamNDay@aol.com
    > 7) DTC for a change!
    > by DreamNDay@aol.com
    > 8) Oh boy...
    > by DreamNDay@aol.com

    Uh........ :-) Sokay. I don't mind. :)

    > As far as DT going mainstream, I believe that if DT got some
    >rotation on MTV, they would get popular because of this fucking brainwashed
    >"Alternative Nation" that we're living in. If they believed DT to be
    >alternative, they would get interested

    Dammit, people are NOT THAT DUMB! I bet money that there are people smarter
    than both of us that like Alanis Morrisette and Green Day. Do you work at
    MTV? Maybe MTV plays things because because they're popular, and not vice
    versa. Sweeping generalizations suck big one.

    >LOL!!! That was the best one word response I've seen on the jam in a long
    >time.

    Four word.

    >Sometimes I wonder whats in Ben's head.

    Nuttin', honey.

    >I think they could do a rousing version of _emotions_ with some classic
    >Labrie embellishments....

    Heehee....don't know if I want to hear him try the Mariah Carey Squeak
    Singing Technique (tm).

    >I agree. I think that his screams are irritating live, and he tends to slur
    >his words together.

    Oh, blah! He does that on the albums too. Don't tell me you actually
    understood the "condescending, not intending to end" part of IF without
    looking at the lyric sheet.

    "CAAAAHDAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA
    NAAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAALAAAAAADAAAAAAAAAAAAATOOOOOAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!"

    :-)

    I guess pronunciation isn't an easy thing when you're singing in the thin
    upper atmosphere.

    Ben Laussade

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 23:28:02 EDT
    From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: appology
    Message-ID: <9609110328.AA14481@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>

    Oh well, I found the Dream theater track listing on the Styx mailing list of
    all things and tried to forward it. Guess it didn't work. Sorry, guys, I
    tried.

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:26:44 -0400 (EDT)
    From: jbako@intercall.com (James Bako)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: G3 dates NYC
    Message-ID: <199609110326.XAA20860@axe.intercall.com>

    FYI, NYC area 'jammers.

    Oct 25-26 (Fri-Sat) Beacon Theater.

    Tix: $30, $45!!

    See ya there,

    James Bako
    jbako@intercall.com

    ------------------------------

    >On a side topic, I still have found nothing wrong with the way Devin
    >sounds on the Working Man cd. Sure he does not sound like Geddy but I
    >like his voice. Why does everyone hate him? Is it his voice or that he
    >sounds nothing like Geddy?

    Well, the reason I don't like him is not because he doesn't sound like
    Geddy, heck, NONE of the singers on Working Man sound like Geddy, but I just
    don't like the way he pretty much only screams.

    Vocals on a cd, along with guitar, are really the 2 biggest deciding factors
    for me liking a band or not. It's for that reason that I love Dream
    Theater, Fates Warning, Queensryche, etc. Savatage is an exception, I
    really don't like Jon Oliva's voice, but the rest of the music is
    incredible. Plus, now they have Zach who I like very much.

    I love "Natural Science" however, it's a great song. Actually, as much as I
    hate to admit it, Devin's voice is kind of growing on me. There are still
    the moments that just irritate the hell out of me, but overall I think I've
    gotten used to him being on there :) It's just that his vocals (IMO) can't
    compare to those of James LaBrie & Ray Alder.

    Oh, and I have to agree with the comment made about Mark Slaughter (I really
    can't remember who posted it)... I really can't stand his singing on Working
    Man either :) Heck, I like Devin better! :) I too used to like Slaughter,
    actually still like the *occasional* Slaughter song, but that "come on...
    yeah!" thing he does is just plain awful!

    Before I end this, I'm sorry I didn't post about this sooner, but to Rick
    Terry... wanted to say that I hope Sue gets well real soon and that
    everything works out for the both of you, in health and financial matters.
    Good luck.

    Bye all, and take care :)

    Irene

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:41:19 -0400
    From: sstys@earthlink.net
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1820
    Message-ID: <323634DF.6E54@earthlink.net>

    > >James Murphy is still in testament I believe
    > >Deen Castronovo was with Ozzy, who was replaced by Randy
    > >Castillo(Ozzys old drummer) who was just replaced By Mike Bordin of
    > >Faith no More
    >
    > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I hope this doesn't signal the end of FNM!!! Anyways,
    > anyone have an opinion on G//Z/R? It is Geezer Butler on bass, Deen on drums
    > (or was it Randy?), I forgot who the guitarist was, and Burton C. Bell of
    > Fear Factory. Being that I LOVE Sabbath, Ozzy, and FF, would I like the
    > album? (stupid question).
    >

    I don't believe this is the end of FNM, As I heard it Mr. Bordin is
    justplaying the tour, as it stands how much longer can Ozzy go.
    actually isn't Ozzy the Energizer bunnies evil twin brother?

    cheers, stan

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:46:09 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Mike Portnoy's European tour diary March 1, 1995
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609102326.B204916-0100000@acs2.bu.edu>

            as printed in Images and Words #8 (November 1995):
            "We throw the instrumental outro. to"Innocence Faded" into the
    set ..."

            Does that mean they just played the outro and not the whole
    song? Or was there another outro that they played on the Euro tour (an
    extended "jean creamer" as Ben Laussade would say).
            Whether or not this was ever played live, it has been documented
    on tape (12-31-95), so we can put this one to rest.
            I'd like to know the details of the above though.

            Jeff Falk
            jefffalk@bu.edu

    ------------------------------

    End of YTSEJAM Digest 1821
    **************************



    This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:58:46 EST