YTSEJAM digest 1832

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Fri Sep 13 1996 - 19:18:30 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Bay Area Jammers!!! (yngwie sighting)
     by skooc@earthlink.net
      2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1831
     by stan tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1831
     by stan tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
      4) Jam of old
     by DreamNDay@aol.com
      5) to mike bahr..
     by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
      6) Relevancy and leniency
     by svjohnson@amoco.com
      7) i think i should already know this info, but.....
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
      8) First perception of Awake...
     by Jeff Ballard <jballa@ctp.com>
      9) it's good to be back ......
     by "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
     10) Good news!
     by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
     11) kickin' shtuff
     by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
     12) Malibu has been shut down!
     by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
     13) stuff
     by DreamNDay@aol.com
     14) europe
     by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
     15) phonetics
     by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
     16) Mastermind
     by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
     17) Re: Taste ??
     by Ronny Geerts <Ronny.Geerts@ping.be>

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
    From: skooc@earthlink.net
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Bay Area Jammers!!! (yngwie sighting)
    Message-ID: <199609131838.LAA14631@iceland.it.earthlink.net>

    Hi,

    Sept. 29 Yngwie Malmsteen will be opening for W.A.S.P.! This is NOT a typo,
    Yngwie IS the opener. It is at the Edge in Palo Alto. Tix are $10 adv. So
    when you're at the King's X show tonight remember to bring some extra cash
    to get your Yngwie ticket;)

    although no one is probably interested in this one I thought I'd bring it
    up. Lita Ford will also be at The Edge on Oct. 24. Les Claypool will be at
    The Edge on Oct. 10. That's all from your Bay Area concert connection.

    Scott

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:15:28 -0400
    From: stan tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1831
    Message-ID: <3239B2D0.6B5E@earthlink.net>

    > mmm....I've SEEN Lars play "Damage Inc." -- doesn't seem like he's
    > >had a lot of trouble with it. And for what it's worth, I think Lars
    > >can play a non-4/4 beat pretty well....but that isn't the sole
    >

    > question: have you seen "dyer's eve" performed live? you haven't?
    > well, it can't be, because the drums on the album were recorded
    > twice. i've heard something that claims they were, because lars was
    > unable to play it as he should have.

    funny, whats dyers eve got to do with lars ulrich playing Damage Inc.
    live. Last time I checked they were two seperate songs on two
    seperate albums.

    stan

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:19:22 -0400
    From: stan tyszka <sstys@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1831
    Message-ID: <3239B3BA.7FE2@earthlink.net>

    >
    > Incidentally, Geoff Tate is, in my opinion, the best vocal performer out
    > there. I haven't heard him live since the "Empire" tour, but he was still
    > sounding good on "Promised Land," to my ears. James makes a strong case for #2.
    >
    I had the pleasure of seeing queensryche on the promised land tour and
    yes Geoff Tate was absolutly fabulous. He put on a stunning
    performance. I also saw James with DT in December. I was impressed
    quite a bit but not blown away by him as i was by Tate. However I
    think that James is much better in a recording situation.

    stan

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:19:06 -0400
    From: DreamNDay@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Jam of old
    Message-ID: <960913151905_284226528@emout08.mail.aol.com>

    >So we're back to the old "DreamNDay vs. Damon" Jam again, are we ?
    >What's next ? ASCII-wars ? A *nice* religion thread ? Christ ! ;-)

    Oh, but Itchy, didn't you love that "My character could kick D-Man's
    chicken's ass stuff?" ;p I love being around long enough to remember old
    stuff! But really, just this one more list. I wanna be able to get the number
    one spot just once, then I'll go back to condensing. Oh Puleeeeese!!!!!!
    Fine. I'll go back.

    >well, whatever you do, DEFINITELY go see mercyful fate! if you haven't
    >seen them live, it is absolutely amazing. king diamod is a superb performer
    >as are the rest of the members. they put on a great show. besides,
    >king diamond will be opening the show. now, you know it's gonna
    >be a great show when king is opening for himself!
    >(i bet he's a tired motherfucker after each show, though.)

    As in the band King Diamond with Andy "fucking amazing" La Roque? Then I
    gotta go!!!!

    >If this is true, I think I will just dub mine onto tape before sending it
    >back, if I send it back. I wonder if this means that I won't be able to play
    >it on my progrock show anymore. :)

    I think when a CD is recalled, the ones in the store are sent back, and the
    ones that you own become collector's items :)for you :(for me with no working
    man.

    >What's this I hear of a MF tour? Right fucking on! Just in time for
    >Christmas. If anyone has any info on this tour plelase emaill me. I saw KD
    >back in 1988 and he ws incredible! This is a show I do not want to miiss!

    Well, MF and KD are touring together, and the show by me is the day before
    Halloween (THE PERFECT TIME TO SEE THEM!!!),and I can't go because It's too
    fucking far away to go on a Wednesday night!!!! I'm so pissed off right now.

    The sig's back (as if it was ever gone) cuz I'm not doing seperate posts
    anymore.

    =============================================================
                                       Life sucks and I don't care
                                            later--------------Brian
    =============================================================

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:22:03 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: to mike bahr..
    Message-ID: <199609131922.AA26944@metronet.com>

    mike, just fyi...

    cd bootlegging is not just a civil offense. there have been
    (confirmed) reports on dat-heads of store owners being led off
    in handcuffs and getting 2 years+ sentences for just
    trafficking boot cds, not even manufacturing. the distributors
    are getting busted bigtime in the east, i just want you to be
    careful. i dont really think it is worth being indicted for
    a felony offense to do the cd projects, that is the reason me
    and mike burstin backed out in the beginning, but it is up to you.
    personally i would fully understand if you decided to quit the
    cd's, or limit them to dream theater only since they seem to be
    low risk. but rush, tori, live, etc all are big name acts with
    big time lawyers and mgmt with bigtime attitudes.

    <><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><>
    <>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><>

     "You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free.
            Everything that is contradictory creates life."
                          -Salvador Dali, 1980

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 15:06:12 -0500
    From: svjohnson@amoco.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Relevancy and leniency
    Message-ID: <199609132006.AA01908@interlock.amoco.com>

         OK....i don't wanna go off on a rant (Thanks, Dennis Miller!), but
         people who are getting bugned about claims that "you have nothing to
         say" etc. are wasting their breath. If Jammers can't see there's a
         poster "elite" here where some members can get away with things that
         are flame bait to others, you truly are blind.
         
         The Bens, the Bafus, the Bahrs (Damon, maybe you should get a name
         that starts with "B") are given a lot more freedom to bring up and
         continue stupid comments, threads, etc. Ot's just a clique thing.
         Some get bothered by it, some ignore it (as I have until now).
         
         Brian, reply and way you want...Damon say what you want to say. If
         some jammers can't handle it.....screw 'em. They can turn their
         computers off and do something much more meaningful than sit at the
         machine.
         
         Anyway........Mike Bahr: concerning covert actions on the CD projects.
          Maybe that is a good idea. Don't be as open as you have been. The
         bottome line is that it really is illegal and there are people willing
         to put the kabosh (sp?) on it. I don't want that happening and
         neither does the rest of the jam. Just be a bit more prudent. Just a
         thought.
         
         LATER-
         
         Steve
         
         "You may remember me from such films as 'Leper in the Backfield' and
         'The Verdict Was Mail Fraud.'"
            --Actor Troy McClure

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: i think i should already know this info, but.....
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960913162004.28187B-100000@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu>

    when I write to noise records, which CD should I be supporting??
    "Behind", or the second superior release?
    (and what's the name of the disc, if it is indeed a new product?)

    partha

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:25:29 -0700
    From: Jeff Ballard <jballa@ctp.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: First perception of Awake...
    Message-ID: <3239C339.1061@ctp.com>

    Well, this is my first post! I won't bore you with a story of how I got
    into DT, but the short of it is I heard PMU and went and bought the next
    day. Since then my life has completely changed! :)

    Did anyone out there besides me not really like Awake when they first
    heard it? (Please don't flame me for that!) I remember back a couple
    of years ago when I got it and I didn't really care for it all that
    much. But about six months ago, I pulled it out and threw on some
    headphones (makes it easier to hear everything really well) and realized
    how damn good it is. My first opinion of it was that it was too
    'rough', but now I think the not so polished is what gives it its own
    style. Any similar thoughts from anyone?

    Another question: Does Space-Dye Vest sound better on a cold, gray day
    or is it me? It just fits the mood so well.

    Anyway, I finally stopped lurking and decided to post but need to get
    back to work....

    Jeff

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:38:46 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: it's good to be back ......
    Message-ID: <199609132038.QAA05103@colossus.csl.mtu.edu>

    hi y'all

    I've been gone for a whole year....so now that i'm back to school I I am behind
    a lot of stuffs, I have a couple of questions and if you think it's been
    discussed previously and some of you would be sick to see them on the list
    i would be very greatful if some one mails it directly to me. Did i make any
    sense??? I don't know :)

    any way...is it true that Eric Johnson, Satch, and Vai are going to tour
    togather. does anybody know if they are coming to the Green bay area? if they
    are ..when?

    Does any body know when they are going to show the Satch thing on PBS?... I
    heard it was supposed to be this winter?

    is there any other cool DT cd's out after ACOC? I mean through Mike Bahr or
    some body else.

    finally, when's the new album due????

    thanx in advance.

    Minhaz

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:07:56 -0400 (EDT)
    From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
    To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Good news!
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609131726.E8278-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>

    Man, this has been a good day. First, I got myself out of an unhealthy
    relationship, and still managed to maintain a friendship with the most
    insane Rush fan I know.

    Then, I bought I Mother Earth's new one, "Scenery and Fish." Haven't
    listened to it yet, but I'll give a review when I do. There's CD-Rom
    info on it, too.

    Then, walking out the first music store, I see a guy wearing an Awake
    shirt! I happened to be wearing my Jason Giles t-shirt, and so it was an
    instant conversation. Anyway, I geve him my e-address, and he's going to
    be one of us soon! Hi, Noel, if you're already reading!

    THEN, at music store #2, I picked up Lost in the Sky -with AMAZING
    packaging (KevMo with a beard! :) and OUTSTANDING sound quality - AND I
    also got an unopened Lie promo single!!!! And both for around $50! Now
    I have to go back to that place and buy up the Rush boots (that the ex
    didn't already grab) and the VH boots.

    Oh, and while I'm here, can anyone tell me what label Lemur Voice and
    Spock's Beard are on? Thanks.

    -D

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:11:51 -0500
    From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: kickin' shtuff
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960913211151.006ceda0@mail.inlink.com>

    WDATU showed up today, and since we're along the lines of james's vocals
    here i'd just like to say he's screamin and it kicks ass. :) mike- bravo
    ol' chap, another fo0kin' great disc!
                                                    ~Rip

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:32:53 +0000
    From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Malibu has been shut down!
    Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.960913172916.34958A-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>

    > question: have you seen "dyer's eve" performed live? you haven't?
    > well, it can't be, because the drums on the album were recorded
    > twice. i've heard something that claims they were, because lars was
    > unable to play it as he should have.

    Actually, I have seen a bootleg with DE on it....Its a live bootleg with
    all the songs from justice on there...I can't tell you if the actual song
    is on there but the title is..

    A little bit of DT content:
            The Malibu Night Club on Long Island (Host to a few Dream Theater
    shows) has been shut down!

    :(

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        // Jim Lutz "Time was never on my side, \\
       // So on I wait my whole lifetime" \\
      // lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu -Metallica \\
     // YtseJim@DreamT.org \\
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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:46:47 -0400
    From: DreamNDay@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: stuff
    Message-ID: <960913174647_307786030@emout04.mail.aol.com>

    >i dont mind seeing someone post a lot for certain reasons, but if the only
    >reason someone sends a bunch of posts instead of one is just to get a most
    >frequent poster spot then it DOES start to bother me.
    OK, now you guys know that that is not me at all. I was jsut trying to have a
    little fun. I overposted WAY before there was ever a most posts list.
    (Remember the annoying sig?) I was just trying to stir the pot a little bit.
    I hope you guys aren't all pissed off at me. Actually, the reason that I
    overposted in the first place was just because I wasn't Windows-literate, so
    I didn't know how to cut and paste, so I just always hit the reply button.
    Duh!
    >For the few of you that are also in Van Halen, this is info I got from a
    >reliable source about the next VH singer
    I WISH I was in Van Halen! ;)

    >> >LOL!!! That was the best one word response I've seen on the jam in a long
    >> >time.
    >>
    >> Four word.
    >Actually, one word, 4 letters :)
    Actually, my post was saying one word four times :)

    >Don't bash James for his performance on the Japan PPV show! He was sick.
    Many
    >other singers wouldn't have entered the stage in that condition, but he had
    to,
    >because of the TV broadcast. Believe me, he wasn't happy about it...
    Sorry, I didn't know. But that wasn't the only time he sounded bad. Was he
    sick on the whole tour.

    >Well, I see that somebody has made the first inaccurate statement of the
    >school year. I have nothing to say? Somehow, I want to dispute that. I have
    >quite a bit to say, both DT and non-DT related. I have quite a few people
    who
    >don't seem to mind my posts, and I really don't know what I ever did to you
    >to draw this abuse. Nothng against dreamday, but he just makes love to his
    >reply key, and sometimes he has something to say and sometimes he doesn't.
    >Nobody ever flames BafuVai for saying nothing, nobody ever flames Ben, they
    >are well-respected. And, sorry Ben, but not every single one of your posts
    is
    >DT related. In fact, I challenge the Gods of Ytsejam who love to plaster me
    >and Dreamday to come up with all their posts and tell me that they are all
    >DTC. you can't.
    Thank you very much. I feel the same. They say "oh, I got 10 jams in 24
    hours, blah blah blah, DreamNDay (BTW, I have a name, and it isn't
    DreamNDay), blah blah blah, Damon," But in case you haven't noticed, my posts
    came in big packs, and then you wouldn't see any for a couple of jams. That's
    because I only post twice a day (usually, don't jump at me if you find an
    example of a time I did more). And BTW, I don't make love to my reply key, I
    just caress it gently.

    >question: have you seen "dyer's eve" performed live? you haven't?
    >well, it can't be, because the drums on the album were recorded
    >twice. i've heard something that claims they were, because lars was
    >unable to play it as he should have.
    I read in the fan club magazine that the only songs never played live (other
    thatn the new ones) were Dyer's Eve and Escape. So there you go.

    >Currently playing: Dream Theater - Metropolis Part 2
    Yeah right.

    BTW, I am asking a question for someone else. I've noticed there are a lot of
    jammers in the St. Louis area. Anyone know if Pearl Jam is gonna hit that
    area on the tour?

    =============================================================
                                       Life sucks and I don't care
                                            later--------------Brian
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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:10:01 +2000
    From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: europe
    Message-ID: <199609132215.BAA23772@pepe.online.ee>

    >Actually, Europe sucks, apart from Amsterdam.

    grr... :-)

    >But, like I said, we have Amsterdam :-)

    well YEAH :-) highly recommended to those who wanna have a good time,
    and to those who wanna get legally high. or both. i did both. :-)

    but EVERYBDOY should check out christiania, the famous free-town in
    the heart of copenhagen (the capital of denmark). i think you won't
    be disappointed. (by the way, i stayed there for a week and i heard
    some locals play dream theater many times... way cool.)

    i really think europe is not that bad anyway. vice versa. having
    hitchhiked halfway thru it, i guess it's a cool place.

    raitz

          How could I forget such a revelation
          to love without fear and learn without question
          how could I regret the meant occasions
          I must begin this day again

                  Cynic, "How Could I"

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:20:46 +2000
    From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: phonetics
    Message-ID: <199609132215.BAA23775@pepe.online.ee>

    >>Yeah, or the familiar part in TTT..."if there's a pensive fear, a
    >>wasted year, a man must learn to cope, if his obsession's real,
    >>supression that he feels must turn to hope..."
    >Have you ever heard the libe version? It's more like
    >IFTHAASAPAASVEEWAASSAYEAA...

    i've read the whole thread and i'm wonderin' where's the point. dream
    theater don't definitely have to take phonetics classes. i come from
    a non-english background (english is my fourth language) and
    sometimes have trouble understanding *any* lyrics without a lyric
    sheet. and that's what the lyric sheets are for. you don't HAVE to
    understand what's being sung if it sounds good. and those parts that
    have been mentioned definitely do.

    ever listened to operas and wondered, "what the hell are they
    singin'"?

    raitz

          How could I forget such a revelation
          to love without fear and learn without question
          how could I regret the meant occasions
          I must begin this day again

                  Cynic, "How Could I"

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    Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:22:39 -0700
    From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Mastermind
    Message-ID: <323A08DF.12E0@umbc.edu>

    Hello Jammers,

    Mastermind is not the same band as DR Mastermind. Mastermind has four
    albums:

    Volume One
    Brainstorm
    Tragic Symphony
    Until Eternity

    Persons:

    Bill Berends: Guitars, Bass, Vocals
    Rich Berends: Drums, Percussion
    Phil Antolino: Live Bass

    They are from New Jersey, and you can reach their homepage from my
    Unsigned Bands page, the URL is in my .sig

    Later,

    Mike

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    Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 01:14:18 +0200 (MET DST)
    From: Ronny Geerts <Ronny.Geerts@ping.be>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Taste ??
    Message-ID: <199609132314.BAA19273@ping1.ping.be>

    In YtseJam 1826, Ben Laussade wrote:

    >MTV will play what they think will sell, yes....but, I'll say what I've said
    >a few times before: the majority of people really, genuinely do LIKE what
    >sells, in the same way that we like Dream Theater. An argument that an
    >alternative fan could give about their music of choice would be just as good
    >as an argument that we could give about our music of choice because it's
    >ONLY A MATTER OF PERSONAL TASTE.

    I don't think you can generalize this. First of all, IMO, a lot of people
    don't really care about music (not meant in a negative way however, it's the
    same as me not caring about football). They have the radio playing while
    working, playing cards, anything really... Or they go to parties, or are
    exposed to music in the supermarket. Anyway, they are PASSIVELY exposed to
    music. (I do know I've made some huge generalisations here, but it's just to
    make my point clear) That kind of people is the audience that more
    "commercial" music reaches (hate the word "commercial" though). These people
    will say that they like what's on the radio, they know the tunes they hear
    because they are played over and over again. They don't choose the music
    they like, their music is chosen for them, just because they don't really
    care. (generalizing again, sorry) .Now, in my opinion, if normal, mainstream
    radiostations would start to concentrate on another style of music, say,
    progressive metal for instance, it will soon be accepted by the masses. Of
    course it would not influence people who care about music, listeners who are
    ACTIVELY listening to music, searching for new interesting stuff, or perhaps
    playing an instrument. Just compare it to what rock and roll went through in
    the fifties. In the beginning, it was considered rebbelious, provocative and
    sometimes even shocking by the masses. If it hadn't been accepted then ,
    where would popular music be now ? To conclude I'd say that taste of music
    can certainly be influenced. Music heard on mainstream radio-stations will
    be the taste of music of a big part of the audience, and not vice-versa.

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