YTSEJAM Digest 1824
Today's Topics:
1) Superior
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
2) justa coupla eshtuff
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
3)
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
4) Old????
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
5) I suck, you suck
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
6) Lemur Voice
by "Peter Pignatelli Jr." <74243.363@CompuServe.COM>
7) Re: DTIFC
by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
8) YtseSpammers
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
9) "schtuff"
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
10) Re: Vai/G3 Show
by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
11) Unsubscribing
by "Kent Willshire" <cygnus.x-1@worldnet.att.net>
12) Hypocrites anyone?
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
13) Stalker Song
by DreamNDay@aol.com
14) Posting
by DreamNDay@aol.com
15) Alternative
by DreamNDay@aol.com
16) Ozzy
by DreamNDay@aol.com
17) wo0
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
18) Fear Factory
by DreamNDay@aol.com
19) DreamNDamon
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
20) Rush concert date
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 10:26:08 MDT
From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Superior
Message-ID: <vines.0,16+UUiBma@vines.ColoState.EDU>
I hear high praise for SUPERIOR and since I have not heard their CD Beyond (costs $27 mail order) I
emailed Bernd Basmer about rumors of US release. His reply;
>>I just phoned NOISE a few minutes ago
>>and they told me that they didn't know when (and even IF) the record
>>will be released in the USA. I thought that was clear. They'll release
>>it here in Europe and in Japan first. So it can take a little time 'til
>>it appears in the USA too.
Perhaps NOISE needs alittle encouragement?! NOISE ia a great label for metal and some prog metal,
they'll probably come through!
Cheers, Kevin D.
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:30:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: justa coupla eshtuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960911121935.19052A-100000@pacman.rs.itd.umich.edu>
a) Hey Brian, what ws that about condensing posts again??
b) >I agree. I think that his screams are irritating live, and he tends to
> slur his words together.
really? I'd say this happens on studio stuff too....for example, in PMU,
this is what I sing/hear....
I'll take seven lives for one
and then my only father's son
LA LA LA LA-La-La-LA-La-LA
I am not afraid......
it's been 4 years since i got into DT, and i still don't know what
Mr. LaBrie says in that line
partha
p.s. TFE might be better (for me) than moving pictures....i'll get back to
you folks on that score in about three weeks, after the initial glow has
worn off.........
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:59:21 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199609111704.NAA22594@uhura>
>Oh, come on!!!! People my age aren't THAT stupid. They don't like
>everything. I really do think that DT WOULDN'T become the next dumbass
>trend.
Yeah, but if you had told me 10 years ago that someday Metallica would be a
dumbass trend.....I would have said you had a severe case of
cranial-sphincter inversion. :)
-----
>Anyway, the point is, I've heard several people talk about Fates Warning, so
>I went out and bought the album "Chasing Time". Well, I hate to say, but I
>think it sucks. I could be wrong, maybe it will grow on me or something. But
>is all there stuff like that? Did I just happen to buy their worst album?
Well, "Chasing Time" is a greatest hits album, so there's a lot of different
quality material on it. Personally, I love it, but to each his own. To get a
recent feel for Fates Warning, I'd recommend listening to the album
"Parallels". If you don't like that one either, I think you can effectively
cross them off your "gotta have" list. :)
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>that James should sing like Mariah Carey....but if your instrument is going
>to be out in the front of the band, and vocals almost always are, then make
>it a little wacky. :)
I don't mind thos "embellishments" if they're written into the song, but I
really resent them when they're thrown in for no apparent reason.
Actually, I just hate them in the national anthem, but that's me. Does it
irritate the piss out of anyone else when people do this? I can just see
Francis Scott Key saying "Yeah. That's *exactly* what that song needed!" :)
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:06:06 MDT
From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Old????
Message-ID: <vines.0,16+y3jBma@vines.ColoState.EDU>
Partha wrote:
>(he's a
>freshman, and to this senior, he IS a kid....or am I just getting old??)
Oh great! If seniors think they are old I'm in trouble! I am a prof and I play DT and the usual others so
loud in my office that folks either complain or hang around outside to listen and write down band names!
You are never too old!!
Bye.
Rugby-playing, DT-blasting, doctor-thirty-something.
Currently playing : AMORPHIS - Tales of a Thousand Lakes
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:13:55 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I suck, you suck
Message-ID: <199609111719.NAA23719@uhura>
> Sweeping generalizations suck big one.
Ben, don't you mean "ALL sweeping generalizations suck big one?"
Duh...your statement WAS a generalization. :)
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Date: 11 Sep 96 13:54:41 EDT
From: "Peter Pignatelli Jr." <74243.363@CompuServe.COM>
To: ytse jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Lemur Voice
Message-ID: <960911175441_74243.363_BHR77-1@CompuServe.COM>
Just got Lemur Voice. The music is AWESOME!!!!!!!! The singer is kinda boring
and he under-pronounces alot of the words but other than that I haven't found
anything to complain about yet. Get the album, it's well worth it.
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Date: 11 Sep 96 13:55:53 EDT
From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DTIFC
Message-ID: <960911175553_101352.3261_JHP74-1@CompuServe.COM>
The new issue of the 'Official' International Fan Club magazine "Images & Words"
is now out, and the last batch will be mailed out to members by this weekend.
If you're not signed up and want to get involved, e-mail me.
Cheers,
Neil Elliott
Director - DTIFC
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"I think we have an album title!" - MP (July '96)
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:50:08 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'\"DreamNDay vs. Damon\"-Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YtseSpammers
Message-ID: <01BBA021.7DD1FFA0@Spock.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
>> Dale's gonna have some serious competition for next month's #1 slot.
>> DreamNDay@aol.com is back
>
> Oh, come now. You all know that I've been condensing all of my posts
> into one. But if Dale wants a little competition...
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__________
Ytsejam #1820
2 Stuff
DreamNDay@aol.com
3 Stalker Song
DreamNDay@aol.com
4 G//Z/R
DreamNDay@aol.com
5 Anthrax
DreamNDay@aol.com
6 Hey...
DreamNDay@aol.com
7 DTC for a change!
DreamNDay@aol.com
8 Oh boy...
DreamNDay@aol.com
17 Van Halen
DreamNDay@aol.com
18 James
DreamNDay@aol.com
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Ytsejam #1821 :
1 Innocense Faded <--- Wasn't this one supposed to be on Jam #1820 ?
DreamNDay@aol.com
6 anals vs. annals
"Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
7 Re: Cairo/Magellan
"Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
10 Non-STYX: Track Listing for New Dream Theater (fwd)
"Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
11 Re: David Lee Roth fired!
"Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
13 Re: Kevin Moore demos.
"Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
14 Re: Devon
"Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16 Re: Stuff
"Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
19 appology
"Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
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So we're back to the old "DreamNDay vs. Damon" Jam again, are we ?
What's next ? ASCII-wars ? A *nice* religion thread ? Christ ! ;-)
Since we can all predict who will be the nr. 1 and nr. 2 posters,
I won't be sending in any more "Most Frequent Poster"-lists from
now on... I don't want people competing over the nr. 1 stop (again).
AFAIK, there are about 750 Ytsejammers... Does it seem right if only
two guys take up half the bandwidth ? I don't think so. I'm sorry if
I sound BItchy, but I'm neither amused nor impressed...
BItchy (NOT Itchy)
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`)
All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
"HALLO-O-O-O-O! Test... for... echo... Is there anybody out there?"
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:00:35 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "schtuff"
Message-ID: <199609112000.PAA12500@enteract.com>
> From: Socrates17@aol.com
> Subject: Fates Warning
> Anyway, the point is, I've heard several people talk about Fates Warning, so
> I went out and bought the album "Chasing Time". Well, I hate to say, but I
> think it sucks. I could be wrong, maybe it will grow on me or something. But
> is all there stuff like that? Did I just happen to buy their worst
>album?
First off, do yourself a favor and get off AOL. Get a local ISP.
Second, Yes, you DID buy the worst album for someone not yet into
Fates. Here's the deal: They have matured. They had Jon Arch (who
I dig) on a couple of songs on there, and his voices is REALLY high.
Makes James look like Glen Benton. If you can find no redeeming
quality to any of the songs, then you won't like Fates, but if you
like songs like Monument or the Eleventh Hour (I believe those are on
there) buy Fates albums: Parallels, and Inside Out. Give the disk
you have a couple more listens. They are a great band.
Ivanhoe: AWESOME. Up and coming. They are still growing up
musically tho.
Iced Earth: Cool, but not prog really.
Mastermind: SUCKS! At least Mastermind III Blows hard. Live they
are supposed to be better.
> It's probably rather hard to find these
> days, I got mine used.
(Regarding Al DiMeola, Paco, John, Live in San Fran)
I got mine recently at a Best Buy. I should qualify that... I got my
NEW copy there. I had it on tape, but I just bought the gold master
version. It's still in print and easy to find.
> I think I figured it out. James shows off in the wrong ways (and showing off
> ain't a bad thing). Take Mariah Carey for instance....she's got a fucking
> huge range....but when she sings, she adds tons of embellishments and
> schtuff. James doesn't really so much. Moreso live, but I like to hear that
> kind of improvisational stuff on studio recordings too.
First off, (Watch Ben start to sweat figuring I'm gonna flame him
again, and that he'll have to get his panties in a bunch again) I
think James does TONS of "schtuff" live and on the recordings. But
you must also remember the genre of music that the two record in.
Mariah is R&B/Pop. That's part of what sells... those smooth many
octave "ooh woo"'s. James has to be a Metal singer to target his
audience best. Many people only put up with him because the band is
so great. I love his vocals just the way they are. If he needs to
do anything it's develope his low range more.
> there's one question that I'd like the an-
> swer to: WHAT IS PROGRESSIVE MUSIC ???
I tried to answer that on my web page. www.prognosis.com
Still way under construction, not a fraction of what I plan to put up
there, but when you're working full time and going to school 16
credit hours... some things have to wait.
Chris
PS WTF is all this trash about Metallica? Did ANYONE read the
posting rules? If it's Prog or DT related in ANY WAY, it's a valid
and usually interesting post... but I don't care who the fuck
replaces who in Alternicca. Jason is the second cheesiest bassist
ever. The first is Cliff. Flame me personally, not on the jam.
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Date: 11 Sep 96 16:04:56 EDT
From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Vai/G3 Show
Message-ID: <960911200456_103362.445_JHL140-1@CompuServe.COM>
A fellow jammer wrote:
>Steve Vai will be performing at Hollywood's Musicians Institute (GIT) on
>October 6. This will be an intimate performance for students of the school.
>For more information about MI you can call 800-255-PLAY.
Any jammers going to the G3 show at the Hollywood Bowl on October 12? They
added Kenny Wayne Shepherd to the bill; it should be an outstanding show. Any
bets on who is going to steal the show?
I'm off to see Don Grungio (Neil Young & Crazy Horse) tonight at the Forum (3rd
row center!); too bad that King's X is only in town for one show (no Galactic
Cowboys).
Regards,
Dave
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:16:41 -0500
From: "Kent Willshire" <cygnus.x-1@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <19960911201736.AAA4205@default>
Pardon my ignorance, butt could someone please email me and tell me how to
unsubscribe?
Thanks,
Kent
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:22:23 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hypocrites anyone?
Message-ID: <199609112022.PAA14013@enteract.com>
skooc@earthlink.net wrote:
who cares about Cairo? Unles of course you're planning a vacation to
Egypt and want some recommendations on where to stay, etc. Some
people and the grouups they listen to.......... I say I don't like shoadow
gallery and get fucking
reamed, now this crap with cairo! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!! Not
everybody is gonna like everything, just let it go already. Maybe the beginnin
of the diegst should read "Welcome to the People's Republic of Ytsejam.
These are our likes and dislikes, and they should be yours to."
--- Dude, this is lame of you. You know threads are gonna be based on "Likes and Dislikes" Fucking deal with it. You're a hypocrite for posting that ranting and raving anyways. You have no problem sharing your opinion but apparently it's not okay with you if the rest of us do the same. I hate playing YtseCop but posts about prog bands are totally legit. Half the time your posts are interesting. Less than a quarter of those messages aren't filled with your opinions. If you don't like a discussion then perhaps you are misled as to the purpose of this mailing list and most others for that matter.Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511 EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings! --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:35:08 -0400 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stalker Song Message-ID: <960911163508_306121017@emout13.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-09-10 21:44:53 EDT, you write:
>>Now isn't this the woman that originally perfomed "Gonna Get Close To >>You," the song later covered by Queensryche on "Rage for Order"? I've >>always affectionately called it "the stalker song." :) > >Isn't there a real song called Stalker Song? I'm pretty sure I have it on one >of my albums, but i can't place it. > >============================================================= > Life sucks and I don't care > later--------------Brian >============================================================= It hit me. It's on Danzig 4.
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:35:18 -0400 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Posting Message-ID: <960911163517_306121135@emout06.mail.aol.com>
>>Oh, come now. You all know that I've been condensing all of my posts into >>one. > >Er.... > >> 2) Stuff >> by DreamNDay@aol.com >> 3) Stalker Song >> by DreamNDay@aol.com >> 4) G//Z/R >> by DreamNDay@aol.com >> 5) Anthrax >> by DreamNDay@aol.com >> 6) Hey... >> by DreamNDay@aol.com >> 7) DTC for a change! >> by DreamNDay@aol.com >> 8) Oh boy... >> by DreamNDay@aol.com
So sue me! I heard that we needed a little competition for the most posts, so here we go again! Seriously, I haven't done this in a while, and its not gonna last too long, so bear with me!
============================================================= Life sucks and I don't care later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:35:20 -0400 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Alternative Message-ID: <960911163519_306121154@emout10.mail.aol.com>
>Dammit, people are NOT THAT DUMB! I bet money that there are people smarter >than both of us that like Alanis Morrisette and Green Day. Do you work at >MTV? Maybe MTV plays things because because they're popular, and not vice >versa. Sweeping generalizations suck big one.
I didn't say they were! I know there are people smarter than me that listen to that stuff. But I think a majority of the people that are listening to "Top 40" alternative do so because it is "Top 40". It's a fad. I know Green Day had fans before Dookie. And in a couple of years, those will probably be their only fans again because people will be like "You like GREEN DAY? They went out in 97", so all of the fucking posers will stop likeing them because it's not "cool" to like them anymore. Am I making sense?
============================================================= Life sucks and I don't care later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:35:22 -0400 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ozzy Message-ID: <960911163520_306121165@emout12.mail.aol.com>
>I don't believe this is the end of FNM, As I heard it Mr. Bordin is >justplaying the tour, as it stands how much longer can Ozzy go. >actually isn't Ozzy the Energizer bunnies evil twin brother?
Well, if Bordin's playing for Ozzy, I may just have to check him out if he plays Middletown later in the month (even though I'm already going to Pearl Jam and Dave Matthews and I wanna see Mercyful Fate and Soundgarden! So many concerts, so little cash ;(
============================================================= Life sucks and I don't care later--------------Brian =============================================================
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:35:45 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: wo0 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960911203545.006caa68@mail.inlink.com>
just scraped up Workin Man! 11 bucks, woohoo. anyways since everyones already hit the down and dirty on everything the only comment i have is that i think Devin kicked some ass. a tribute is done by people and bands who the band being tributed have inspired... thats why as far as i can see it they should play the songs, but still do their own thing.. its a way of showing how the band has contributed to their own style they have developed... if the point of the record was to make it sound like rush you might as well go buy some old rush albums and hear the real stuff... just fun differences :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:35:17 -0400 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com, bosox1@ix.netcom.com Subject: Fear Factory Message-ID: <960911163516_306121115@emout01.mail.aol.com>
>as for the g//z/r album, GET IT!!! it kicks ass. i can't believe that >a 50-something guy, geezer butler, wrote something that rocks this >much. while it sounds nothing like ozzy, a good way to describe it >would be early sabbath modernized. i like burton c. bell's vocals, how >is fear factory? i heard that "demanufacture" is really good... any >opinions? HELL'S YEAH! Demanufacture rules. (BTW I was the one who brought up G//Z/R, and for that specific reason-Fear Factory kicks ass!). I would describe it as progressive industrial death metal. Progressive in the sense only that it has somewhat of a progressive feel to me. No solos or 20 minute songs or odd time sigs, just real original. And if you like FF, I'd have to introduce you to my cousin's band. The whole band has a lot of talent, and the singer sounds a lot like Burton (The screaming AND the singing).
============================================================= Life sucks and I don't care later--------------Brian =============================================================
PS-You aren't involved in the tape swap, are you?
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:19:13 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DreamNDamon Message-ID: <199609112119.QAA23969@enteract.com>
Whoa! Anyone else get unsubbed from Ytsejam and subscribed somehow to the DreamNDay&Damon mailing list?
Here's a new idea... read the jam... THEN post. Not post while yer reading. That way we can have one solid content-packed message from ya instead of little tid bits here and there. Just a suggestion. Rock On.
Chris
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:22:09 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush concert date Message-ID: <32373B91.4636@mo.net>
Hey, I just heard on the radio in St. Louis (K-SHE 95) that the Oct. 31 date for the Rush tour is happening at the Kiel Center. I believe tickets for it go on sale Sept. 21 (though I may be wrong on that part). I'll very likely be there. Have a nice day...
Dale R. Newberry
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