YTSEJAM Digest 1861
Today's Topics:
1) what i think
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
2) *** NEWSFLASH ***
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
3) Re: Mindcrimer
by Richard Harris <Richard_Harris@brown.edu>
4) Innovation?
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
5) dt tree, when a band is not a band
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
6) mindcrimer v. portnoy
by jazzmin@pop1.backbone.ou.edu
7) Re: Time Machine / ANGRA
by blane@nla.gov.au
8) need info about techie stuff
by jazzmin@pop1.backbone.ou.edu
9) Altura and Magna Carta
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
10) RE:Mindcrimer rips on Mike P. read and laugh.
by Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
11) This dick Mindcrimer needs a life./ Does anyone know how to contact Superior?
by Cam Hall <mosh@hotmail.com>
12) Vinnie Moore (fwd)
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
13) Ticketmaster.... (NDTC)
by Mark Stahl <stahl@primenet.com>
14) NDTC: Rush tix on sale when?
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
15) What happened to echolyn
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16) Re: Mindcrimer rips on Mike P. read and laugh.
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1858
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 16:41:11 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: what i think
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960922214111.006fea8c@mail.inlink.com>
hell, i dont know who mindcrimer is, where to address him, but i'd put a few
cents in on he's probably a drummer... he's probably just jealous to hell
of mike portnoy. as far as the rambo machine gunning goes.. someone just
pays a little too much attention to whats going on and doesnt just sit back
and enjoy the tunes. actually mindcrimer reminds me of yngwie malmsteen as
far as attitude goes... he made pretty much the same comments yngwie did in
his I&W review too... hell, he's probably just a pissed off plagarist with
nothing better to do than quote YM :)
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 23:47:33 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: *** NEWSFLASH ***
Message-ID: <01BBA8E0.762382C0@Tuvok.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Remember my monthly "Most Frequent Poster List" ?
Well, from now on you'll be able to find it on my HOMEPAGE, instead of
on this mailinglist... This allows me to make the ENTIRE list available
(*everyone* who posted the month before) AND add some extra features !
When *I* post to this mailinglist, my message says :
> From: Mark Bredius <bredius@GlobalXS.nl>
The "Most Frequent Poster List" will display my name (Mark Bredius)
and will use my e-mail address (bredius@GlobalXS.nl) as a 'mailto:'
link. This means you'll be able to mail ANYONE on the list by simply
clicking their names ! This way you can use it as an 'address book',
*or* to thank them for (over)posting ! ;-)
If you want a DIFFERENT name to appear on the list, just put a
"NAME:<different_name>" line ANYWHERE in your message, for example :
NAME:Mark 'Itchy' Bredius
This is very helpful when you're using someone else's account.
(for instance you parent's account or an account from work)
If you want the list to have a link to your homepage, just put an
"URL:<your_homepage> in the next message you send to the mailinglist :
URL:http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
You can also use the "NAME:" option for a description of your homepage :
NAME:Itchy's Homepage !!!
URL:http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
These options could possibly make the "Most Frequent Poster List"
the biggest Ytsejammer-Homepage jumpstation on the web !!!
In order for this to work, you only have to include these options
in your messages ONCE A MONTH. So if you post 3 times this month,
you only have to put those options into ONE of your messages...
You could, of course, put them in your sig if you want to...
Oh yeah, I didn't put together the "Most Frequent Poster List" so
people can compete over the number one spot... I mean, if you're
gonna post *anyway*, you might as well have some fun with it :-)
Originally, I came up with the list so people could see just how
*much* they posted, and possibly post *less* because of that...
I hope you guys like this idea. I already put up last months "Most
Frequent Post List", so check it out :-) Let me know what you think
by signing my guestbook :-) Enjoy !
Mark
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 18:09:48 -0400
From: Richard Harris <Richard_Harris@brown.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mindcrimer
Message-ID: <199609222211.SAA04446@golden.brown.edu>
Mindcrimer wrote:
> If you listen
>to 'Pull Me Under', 'Take the Time', 'Metropolis I', and 'Under a
>Glass Moon', you can clearly hear the overexcessive, hot dog,
>showboat, annoying, machine gun drumming.
I like his use of double bass and fast fills, which is what I assume
that you mean by "Machine Gun Drumming." Yes, it can be construed as
overplaying. But, I think that part of the Dream Theater experience is the
enjoyment gained by listening to the individual performances by each player,
as well as the song as a whole. In other words, the spotlight is to be
shared within the group, not relegated to the guitarists and the singer, as
in most other heavy acts. Apparently, though, you don't share this opinion,
which is fine. But, you have to realize that there are people who get very
defensive about the music they listen to, and when you use terms like "hot
dog" drumming to describe the style of the drummer who they love, you have
to be prepared for flames like "you suck......," because you strike an
emotional chord. The best way to state a dissenting opinion is to avoid the
hot-button, instant flame words. Other than that, you have clearly
explained why you don't like Mike Portnoy, and hopefully that will be the
end. If you do, however, enjoy flamewars, you could try using the
newsgroup, alt.flames. Sayonara Mindcrimer-san.
Rick
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 15:18:07 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Innovation?
Message-ID: <9609222218.AA18966@tengs1>
>Oh, do tell me how either of those two are innovators. There have
>been sloppy guitarists that play little else than type I or II barre
>chords and fifths since long before those guys were born. I would
>really like to know what makes players like them innovative. Could
>it be that they're innovative because they played their music when
>MTV saw the possibility to create a trend? Or do you honestly
>believe that it's the artists that create the trend, and not the
>companies with the $$$ and the people who give the exposure?
>i'm willing to bet even record companies arent stupid shit enough to just
pull out a non talented form of music and make it popular...
Disco.
>implying that the fans are a bunch of mindless trend followers
Disco.
>isnt right, there's a lot of bright people who enjoy the music simply
because its fun.
Disco!
Zach
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 15:47:48 -0000
From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: dt tree, when a band is not a band
Message-ID: <199609222246.PAA00786@pawn.ax.com>
jazzmin wrote the following in Ytsejam #1853:
>Pink Floyd as it is known today may not have any of the originals, or only
>one, I forget if Nick/Rick is/are still with them or not. David Gilmore
>replaced Syd Barrett, Roger split in '89...
Roger was gone long before '89. Roger's last album with the band was
"The Final Cut." In fact, I'd heard band members themselves say that
"Wish You Were Here" should have been entitled "Wish *We* Were Here."
Anyhow, if the Rick you're speaking of is Wright...yes, he's still with
the band.
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals
((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our
imagination
O) _ (O
O/ \O We learned to talk (Gilmour/Samson)
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 17:45:39 -0500
From: jazzmin@pop1.backbone.ou.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mindcrimer v. portnoy
Message-ID: <3245c18f2d5c002@cliff.ou.edu>
>from MINDCRIMER
>First of all, Petrucci is a great guitarist, and if the band would
>look to him as a leader and let the songs be based on his own rythms,
>they would be better off.
Sez hoo that they don't? Or that Petrucci doesn't solicit the opinions of
the band?
> The keyboard player doesn't need to be sharing leads with the guy.
..except that Kevin Moore wrote the music.
> The guitar should lead.
I suspect that this person plays the guitar. What about the bass? He
didn't say one thing about Myung.
>completely ruined by Portnoy's selfish attitude towards demanding that
>he be upfront and doing all that unnecessary crap. I even feel like
>Petrucci was forced to follow the drums in some of his writing.
.. Why, oh why, does this bring Charles Manson to mind?
> I also cannot call him Peartnoy anymore
>because his style is nothing like Peart's. Not at all. Peart knows
>how to show his skills without killing the song, Portnoy doesn't.
Well, that's a good thing, too, since his name is PORT-noy, yagodda say it
with that Long Island accent, too.
>1. Pull Me Under- Great guitar work, some of which is drownded out by
>the keyboards in the intro of the song. Would be very good if it
.."drownded"?
>7. Wait for Sleep- The most beautiful song on the album. So simple
>with good melody. THE DRUMMER DOES NOT EVEN PLAY.(hint)
Yeh, well, okay.
>8. Learning to Live- 11 minutes of long boring solos and the melody
>is poor. The reintroduction of the Wait for Sleep piano lead is not
>needed.
For that matter, music itself is not "needed"... but aesthetically pleasing.
This song is the one that takes the most appreciation, IMHO, since it is in
reality 5 songs only loosely joined together through music (Or I am thinking
that it is the one where each member took off and wrote a section). Not
boring, just ... disjointed.
Upon hearing this album for the first time (how long ago!) I thought that
they'd gotten much more relaxed than from When Dream and Day Unite. Most of
all I liked the disappearance of Charlie Dominici's strained-at vocals (was
he trying to be Robert Plant or what?). KJLB's smooth vocals are STILL
ear-candy, I love this album! The point here (from which I digressed) being
that I&W is a much more mature album and shows some growth and restraint on
the part of the band. The song length could be worked on, and has been; we
have heard them tighten up their songs and put more meaningful passages in
where previously they had rambled a bit, much like this post.
But my question is, "how can someone named Mindcrimer be complaining about
machine-gun drumming after listening to pre-Empire Queensry:che???" (can't
forget that hokey Umlaut over the Y. "Early Pretentious", said my huz, when
I asked him what language that was from.)
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:43:44 +0000
From: blane@nla.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Time Machine / ANGRA
Message-ID: <199609222246.IAA17361@email.nla.gov.au>
Lo Jammers,
This will be short and sorta sweet/
>
>Does anyone here like ANGRA ??? Anyone ???
>
>Frederico
Yerp Angra fully rock. I definitely recommend any die hard prog fan
to have a listen to 'holy land', it may just blow you away.
Brett
---------------------------------------------------------------
Brett Lane blane@nla.gov.au
CSC Australia Phone: +61 6 262 1659
A Unit of Computer Sciences Corporation FAX: +61 6 273 2116
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 17:58:00 -0500
From: jazzmin@pop1.backbone.ou.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: need info about techie stuff
Message-ID: <3245c4583112002@cliff.ou.edu>
I'd like to get my own equipment, been borrowing someone else's for practise
and don't like it. To avoid biasing the replies, I won't give the brand
names, half of 'em I am not sure of anyhow (duct-taped together, spliced,
yada yada).
It occurs to me to note that I'm a 3-octave soprano I. Might be helpful.
The geeks at the music store just try to sell the most expensive thing, and
suggest that I RENT a sound system when we're ready to play a show! Uh,
excuse me McFly, has anyone heard of PRACTISING???
So. I wanna mike and PA and whatever else goes with that, preferably
something small enough to fit into my living room (well, the guitars have
amps, and those are itty!). Preferably portable-ish, of course mobile homes
are portable (especially by tornadoes ha ha), but I'm thinking small enough
for a Mercury Topaz trunk.
Seeing that I don't have a working band this is not a priority (if anyone's
interested in GETTING TOGETHER and you're in an hour's radius of OKC email
me! Tulsa even!), but I'd like to know from people who use the stuff what
sort of equipment I'd like to go after.
ALSO, if anyone knows of a mail order catalogue for musicians, PLEASE tell
me. I figure if Garth Brooks can get equipment (lived 15 miles or so from
me ->IN ANOTHER CITY, mind you<-) around here, so can I. If those luser
grunge-wanna-be bands (what an aspriation...) can get equipment, so can I.
But I don't WANT to sound like a grunge band, I like a very clean sound...
Feeling quite Oklahomish today (be afraid!)...
jazzmin sommers
jazzmin@ou.edu
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 05:25:17 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Altura and Magna Carta
Message-ID: <199609222320.SAA100439@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
I don't know but I must disagree with the person (sorry, I forgot the name)
that says MC is corrupting ANYONE, let alone Altura. There's no way a label
like Magna Carta is going to make a band sound like someone else. I can
understand big major labels doing it, but Magna Carta? No one made World
Trade or Enchant or Cairo sound like Dream Theater, and I believe no one
made Altura sound like Dream Theater either. This is not an attack, by the
way, just a disagreement. I *HOPE* MC does nothing like that.
__________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 18:16:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE:Mindcrimer rips on Mike P. read and laugh.
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960922182802.28d7daac@inxpress.net>
>What
>this band should do is get the drummer to tone it down bigtime or get
>a new drummer, period. The rest is tolerable. If you let Petrucci
>write the songs and work the rest of the lyrics and music around his
>guitar leads combined with normal drumming, you have a winner. Now,
>go get your CD and listen to those four tracks. I dare you to tell me
>that you can't hear that machine gun.
yea, I can hear the machine gun, and that's what I like about it! But to
each their own... I wonder what this guy normally likes to listen to!
Well, a few good things have come across the old CD player at the radio
station lately....
Steve Vai.... If you like DT, you'll like this.
Overdose.... If you like Sepultura, you'll like this.
Galactic Cowboys... nuff said... they have an EP out soon... with "Fear Not"
with a Kiss cover, Beatles cover, an unreleased track and two live tracks....
that's it for now....
P.S. Just saw Styx/Kansas last Friday... whoa... what an awesome show!
They were right on... It was Chuck Panozzo's birthday, and would have been
John's too I guess... sigh... Man, I hope they tour again!
P.P.S. And two weeks ago, I got to see Jethro Tull/ELP... Gosh... another
great show!! But ELP seemed bored.... Wasn't like the Black Moon tour...
But it's still great to see them live!
Well, that's enough.... (Back to lurk mode)
matt
[***Mattymo sets mode +lurk]
mattymo@inxpress.net
Personal Home Page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo
WORT-FM Mosh Pit page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
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Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 20:50:45 +1100
From: Cam Hall <mosh@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This dick Mindcrimer needs a life./ Does anyone know how to contact Superior?
Message-ID: <30E7AE75.2C9C@hotmail.com>
>All jammers: Just got this off of the queensryche newsgroup. Yep,
>the infamous mindcrimer is at it again. This time he really rips on
>Mike P..... The problem with
>this band is (and this is a big problem) the drummer. If you listen
>to 'Pull Me Under', 'Take the Time', 'Metropolis I', and 'Under a
>Glass Moon', you can clearly hear the overexcessive, hot dog,
>showboat, annoying, machine gun drumming. If you can't hear what I'm
>talking about, please see the ear doctor. Those four songs are
>completely ruined by Portnoy's selfish attitude towards demanding that
>he be upfront and doing all that unnecessary crap.
Well one things for certain Queensryche haven't put out a decent album
since Operation Mindcrime which was exceptional as were most of their
stuff up to that point. I can't see how this dick can critique DT's
music when the band he's into lost it years ago. As a jammer stated
here a few months ago: Compared to a few years ago Geoff Tate can't
cut it live like he used to and that James Labrie is the heir apparent
for Geoff Tate if you want a great live vocal performance.
The other thing I don't understand is why when musicans get a little
older why is it that they 1. Cut their hair 2. Wimp out 3. Get more
commercial? Some or all of these categories apply to Metallica and
Queensryche. Dream Theater should be applauded for keeping their
integrity. Many Jammers are wondering and hoping that DT will be
mega popular. Think again. How would you react if in 5 years time
Mike P took this dicks advice and lost the passion in his playing
DT would then release their equivalent of Metallica's Load the
biggest load of shit that they have ever put out. I think its cool
that DT do not kow tow to the record company execs. When Metallica
got their big record contract 10 years ago they promised they would
not wimp out and bare their ass to no record exec but they have.
As for drummers being upfront well DT is unique in that the usual
stereotype that you're the guitarist or singer therefore you're the
god of the band type bullshit doesn't apply here leaving out the
equally creative bass and drummer and keys to contribute their talent.
Thankfully thats exactly what gives DT their unique appeal.
Give us this dicks E-mail address he needs to be flamed!!!
If thats not possible, somebody drop this E-mail into his box for
me to remind him of his transgressions.
Finally I've been trying to E-mail Bernd Basmer of Superior at his
German E-mail address but haven't heard from him. Well they're
currently playing shows in Germany. Has anyone on the JAM been in
contact with him recently. I have sent heaps of E-mail over the
last few months with no reply. If anyone has been in contact and
know of any way I can contact him please let me know on the Jam
or by E-mail. Thanx CAM
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 19:50:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vinnie Moore (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.960922194912.6027K-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
I tried this guys personal adress and it didn't work so here's them letter
going to everyone. Sorry.
Matt B
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 19:35:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Daedalus <99mjb@colrain.williams.edu>
To: vantin@infinity.com.br
Subject: Vinnie Moore
Greetings friend,
I'm a new jammer and got your post. The title of the last Moore
release is Meltdown and it is the most impressive albom to date. He
focuses on penatonics a lot more, which make his amazing sweeps and
picking runs all that much more impressive when they come. His tone is
amazing. I met him over the summer at a free guitar clinic in California.
He's a cool guy with a good sense of humor. Anyway, happy listening.
Take care and be well.
Matt B
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 16:56:10 -0700
From: Mark Stahl <stahl@primenet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ticketmaster.... (NDTC)
Message-ID: <3245D21A.124D@primenet.com>
I was wondering if anybodt knew if you order tickets over the phone
through ticketmaster when they sent them to you. Do they send them
immediately or do they wait till a week or two before the show and them
mail them out. Any info would be appreciated.
-mark
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 20:06:13 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC: Rush tix on sale when?
Message-ID: <9609230006.AA18456@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey, guys. It's time to ask the following question. Does anybody know when
tickets for the Spectrum Show in Philadelphia for rush are going on sale? Or
the East Rutherford show, in NJ? I checked tickbastard web site
WWW.ticketmaster.com and nothing. What do you all know?
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 20:28:29 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What happened to echolyn
Message-ID: <9609230028.AA00187@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey, guys. Am I the only person who thinks what happened to Echolyn sucks
hard? I mean, Sony signs the band. What the hell did they think? They think
Echolyn was going to go alternative? The knew what they had signed. Then,
they don't promote As the World, so of course it won't sell. Then when it
doesn't sell, Sony vomits them out? Not only that, but Sony holds the rights
to Ehcolyn's material and we can't even get that released on a wide scale?
Sony broke up Echolyn, a fine prog rock band that had more than enough
potential if only they would've been given a chance to develope it more. Sony
broke up Echolyn. Now, I may have my facts screwed up, and if I do, I am
sorry. But does this make you sick? It makes me sick. Everytime I read
something about Echolyn and the disillusionment of that fine band, I want to
regurgitate what I ate here, although I don't have to think of Echolyn to
want to do that, the food blows goats here. Anyway, I digress. Does anybody
feel the way I do? I don't know, I just wish that there was something we as
fans could do to impress upon Sony, and other record companies that prog rock
is just as viable an art form as the mediorcity that they sell millions of
copies of. I mean, these record companies market jazz, don't they? Do they
really expect jazz records to go platinum. They don't, but jazz still sells
and believe it or not, is a more respected for mof music than rock. God, it
makes me sick.
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 20:36:33 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mindcrimer rips on Mike P. read and laugh.
Message-ID: <9609230036.AA30567@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Dusty, why oh why do you send us this stuff? You are only going to start
another war. Now, onto mindcrimer directly.
I have previously stated that this guy doesn't know the workings of
progressive music. don't play this guy anything that involves complexity, he
can't mentally adjust to it. His comments on MP make sense, if you don't like
prog. Of course, he may actually be referring to the triggered drums as
opposed to the drums themselves, but his statements that MP overplays are
garbage. Truthfully, so what if he overplays. If he was the only one, the
songs would suck. But, let's face it. Everybody shreds and therefore there is
no inballance of overplaying. His comments on keyboards sharing the lead with
guitar and how he doesn't like it don't even make any sense. Why shouldn't
the keyboards and guitar share lead? He never says. All he says is that he
don't like it. So, jammers, and DT, you should all conform to what HE likes.
At least he produced evidence to back up his ill-conceived opinion. Somebody
send me his email address. I want to give the boy an education on progressive
rock. HEEHEEHEE.
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 20:40:23 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1858
Message-ID: <9609230040.AA09177@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Frank, I was just making the point that original to me, meant the original
members. Hell, how many bands go through lineup changes before even being
signed? I mean, if we really wanted the original members of a band, let's go
back to the basement/garage days and get those original members. I stand
corrected on the Journey stuff, but Journey had a lot of hits before Escape,
"Loving touching squeezing, Lights, anyawy you want it, ..." Oh well, I don't
want to get into a debate over this, I have other things to argue about, like
welfare. Back to work.
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