YTSEJAM Digest 1865
Today's Topics:
1)
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
2) Visual Music++
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) QR NG? (NDTC)
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
4) "riiiiiing"...mindcrime
by svjohnson@amoco.com
5) Mindcrimer
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
6) YtseSpam, When Green and Day Unite, and other crap
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) vai singing
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
8) technical grunge
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
9) just an idea
by "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu>
10) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1860
by "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
11)
by
12) Vinnie Moore
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
13) Ibanez
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
14) Mindcrime / Vinnie Moore
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
15) Yes lineup changes
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
16) It's not just lean....it's gangsta lean!
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
17) wahhhh
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
18) stuff
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
19) a moo for you
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:28:51 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199609231634.MAA22481@uhura.ici.net>
>imagine, somebody goes to a music store, being
>told that dream theater is a major kickass in neo-prog. then he/she
>sees the titles and mumbles, "what an utter piece of crap", and off
>he (she) goes.
Most of the neo-prog and prog fans that I know are not so shallow that they
will bnlow off an album simply because of the song titles. That's sort of
like slagging a band because they cut their hair.
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>then again, he has his points. he obviously doesn't know about the
>trigger thing portnoy was FORCED to be happy with (and, if i may add,
>completely failed to do so). the drums do sound too clean and if you
>use your imagination, you can think of them as machine gun bursts
>sometimes.
That was my reaction as well. Despite Mindcrimer's past (obvious)
closed-mindedness, he did give a clear, coherent opinion on what faults he
has with DT. It certainly shocked the hell out of me! :)
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<Visual Music deleted for brevity>
>Since it's the first one, I'll give a hint....it IS a DT song, and this
>particular part is at the beginning of the song. Have fun. :)
LSOAD....c'mon Ben, TEST us. :)
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__<psull@ici.net>__http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html___
This space for rent...No pithy quotes need apply
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:37:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Visual Music++
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.960923112508.26645A-100000@enteract.com>
Okay... Lemme try. This one's kinda obvious, but fun to sing with a
couple people.
Ching Ching Ching Ching
Doo Dooooooooooooooo Doo
Doo Doo
Doooooooooooooooo
Daaa
Chugadugadug Chuga Duhn
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Christopher Ptacek at Enteract, L.L.C.
Technical Support Engineer
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T h o u g l e e k i n g o n i o n e y e d d e a t h t o k e n
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:41:06 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: QR NG? (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199609231647.MAA23552@uhura.ici.net>
Okay, idiot alert.....can someone e-mail me the name of the QR newsgroup? I
can't find it and I'm not sure if my ISP doesn't carry it, or if I'm just
not looking in the right place.
Thanx.
__<psull@ici.net>__http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html___
This space for rent...No pithy quotes need apply
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 11:40:03 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "riiiiiing"...mindcrime
Message-ID: <199609231640.AA20622@interlock.amoco.com>
I guess some people REALLY know how to push others' buttons....
Steve
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:44:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mindcrimer
Message-ID: <199609231644.MAA15782@beasley.cris.com>
Anybody who might want to flame this fellow, it appears his address is
Have fun.
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:00:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YtseSpam, When Green and Day Unite, and other crap
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609231231.A12421-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "ToYDoLLs" <jtipton@telepath.com>
> Subject: Fw: this is just because I love you guys!!!
1) We've all seen the cholocate and sex thing a million times.
2) Don't send forwards like this to the list. It wastes space, and is
absolutely the least DT-related thing you could send.
3) At least trim the damn headers when you send stuff like this! Jeez,
the nerve of some people!
----> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Subject: what? > > Come on! Get off this heresy. If Green Day ever covered a DT song it > would suck, that is just because Green Day sucks. Just thinking about it > is making me ill.
Don't worry, I'm not going to try to change your mind anymore, because I realize it's closed tight. But if you insist on posting things like this, Pat, newcomers are going to think that we, the other members of the list, think it's ok to say things suck and leave their arguments at that. Remember, we're trying to *avoid* shortsightedness, ignorance, and broad generalizations, especially when there is no argument behind them.
As fans of progressive music, we more than anyone should be open to accepting the tastes and whims of others, and should most vehemently avoid telling people that their taste in music sucks.
Then again, we're talking about a Redskins fan. ;-)
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> From: svjohnson@amoco.com > Subject: Technical grunge > > I disagree with this. I believe Soundgarden is the most technocal and > the closest thing to progressiv rock thet grunge has to offer. I was
I wholeheartedly agree. Prog isn't a sound, it's an attitude. And SG has that attitude. They constantly break the rules, explore new musical ground, and experiment. Any one album has a million different moods to go along with it - you can listen to Soundgarden anytime.
The downside is I've heard that they're not that good live, but I wouldn't know from personal experience. I saw them on SNL and they seemed pretty good there. But I really dig their albums. All of them.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:08:42 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: vai singing Message-ID: <199609231719.UAA21876@pepe.online.ee>
> I have yet to pick up the new Vai and I hear he does his own > singing on this one. I hope he sings better than Satch. Man, > that guys NEEDS to stick with guitar!
have you heard "flex-able"? he sings a bit on it. and he does the lead vocals on "rescue me or bury me" off "sex + religion". i think he's just fine, if not better.
raitz
love too often is only a dream if I am too harsh and unkind to myself so I share these attitudes with you for in this spewing cadence of my pride how could I!
cynic, "how could I"
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:04:46 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: technical grunge Message-ID: <199609231719.UAA21886@pepe.online.ee>
>>instrumentalists. pearl jam is the best example how "grunge" (do >>i hate the term) can be technical.<<<<<<<<< >I disagree with this. I believe Soundgarden is the most >technocal and the closest thing to progressiv rock thet grunge >has to offer. I was just listening to the new 'Garden stuff >yesterday (on the way back
you don't have to disagree with me. i sort of misused the word "best", that's all. i prefer soundgarden to pearl jam anyway. cornell's voice is a bit purer and better than eddie's, methinks.
does anybody else also consider matt cameron a HELL of a drummer? i think he's one of the best around.
raitz
love too often is only a dream if I am too harsh and unkind to myself so I share these attitudes with you for in this spewing cadence of my pride how could I!
cynic, "how could I"
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Abu Shams M. Ahmed" <mmahmed@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: just an idea Message-ID: <199609231803.OAA29794@colossus.csl.mtu.edu>
hi'all
I was reading through all the 'jams and suddenly some thing came to me..
was there any thread about John P's sound? I mean not what kind of delay he uses but what amount, how much chorus he uses in a specific song or wheather he uses compression with his accoustic interludes. you know like the barebone f/x from GFPM.
a non DT question....howz the new Vai???( sorry if this is an old q)
i was reading the mindcrimer....anybody thinks the person is a guitarist?
just wondering
Minhaz
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 18:05:04 UT From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1860 Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199609231807370948@msn.com>
From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
>But I want to know what kind amp could I get for about $400-$500 range? I >play bass
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Send me private mail if you want specs and stuff.
Suz Spatz13@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3781
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:13:48 +0300 From: vanzin@infinity.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vinnie Moore Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.23.15.13.48.3163793292.117185@infinity.com.br>
Hey Carlo,
YT> I just wanted to clear up the Vinnie Moore question by letting YT>whoever asked about his new album know that his NEW album is called YT>"From Out of Nowhere" and was released a few months ago in Japan. YT>"Meltdown" came out after "Time Odyssey" and before "From Out of YT>Nowhere." I was VERY disappointed with "Meltdown" because Vinnie kind YT>of went for a more relaxed feel on this record...some blues, some YT> However, I urge any fan of progressive, classical, shred metal to YT>check out his first two called "Mind's Eye" and "Time YT>Odyssey"..(especially "The Tempest", "Race with Destiny", Into the YT>Future".....melodic splendor of the gods!!)
Thanyee, I knew it wasn't Meltdown, but I couldn't remember the anme. :) I have "Time Odissey" and it's one of the best instrumental albuns I've ever heard, Moore's melodies are amazing. "The Tempest" (that acoustic part kicks ass) and "Into the Future" (still trying to play it in that speed :) ) are my favorites. They're really incredible tunes. I've listened to some songs of the new album, and it sounds pretty much like Satch. And, as I love Satriani, I want it :)
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sao Paulo - Brazil vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html Always in the #ytsejam! ------------------------- This message was sent by INFINITY. IP:206.138.205.57 WWW:http://www.infinity.com.br
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:13:52 +0300 From: vanzin@infinity.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ibanez Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.23.15.13.52.3163793292.117186@infinity.com.br>
Hey jammerz!
YT> you're no longer ibanez. we already have another one. YT> THE JAM JUST ISN'T BIG ENOUGH FOR 2 IBANEZES@! YT> WHO IS THE REAL IBANEZ? YT> WILL THE REAL IBANEZ +please+ STAND UP?
Talkin 'bout that, where's Rob been? I want that rob.wav file, it's a great solo. lost it when I bought my new computer. :P
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sao Paulo - Brazil vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html Always in the #ytsejam! ------------------------- This message was sent by INFINITY. IP:206.138.205.57 WWW:http://www.infinity.com.br
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:13:46 +0300 From: vanzin@infinity.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mindcrime / Vinnie Moore Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.23.15.13.46.3163793292.117184@infinity.com.br>
Fellow jammerz,
(after erasing, like, 8 messages talking about this guy)
YT>Subject: RE:Mindcrimer rips on Mike P. read and laugh. YT>>What YT>>this band should do is get the drummer to tone it down bigtime or get YT>>a new drummer, period. The rest is tolerable. If you let Petrucci YT>>write the songs and work the rest of the lyrics and music around his YT>>guitar leads combined with normal drumming, you have a winner. Now, YT>>go get your CD and listen to those four tracks. I dare you to tell me YT>>that you can't hear that machine gun.
My opinion is: well, IAW is by far my favorite DT album, and I love all the songs on it. But there's something I can't deny: Mike's playing has evolved quite a bit from IAW to Awake. I think I've never heard so good drumming as in tha album. About the machine gun in IAW: I really noticed (in Pull me Under, but never stopped to notice it in the others) that Mike does kinda a repetitive sound, including in that part he mentioned, but, what the hell, I want the song, and all the songs in IAW rock! Learning to Live is one of my favorite tunes, as Metropolis (my favorite one). This guy is a dumbass.
YT>Subject: Vinnie Moore (fwd) YT>I tried this guys personal adress and it didn't work so here's them letter YT>going to everyone. Sorry. YT>Matt B YT>To: vantin@infinity.com.br
Maybe you should try vanzin@infinity.com.br next time :P
YT> I'm a new jammer and got your post. The title of the last Moore YT>release is Meltdown and it is the most impressive albom to date. He YT>focuses on penatonics a lot more, which make his amazing sweeps and YT>picking runs all that much more impressive when they come. His tone is YT>amazing. I met him over the summer at a free guitar clinic in California. YT>He's a cool guy with a good sense of humor. Anyway, happy listening. YT>Take care and be well.
Matt, no, it's not! There's an album released this year, that is sure earlier than Meltdown. I can't remeber the name, but Moore is in the cover with his guitar. It sounds different from the others, I can say he changed from "Malmsteen-ish" (although I prefer Moore to Malmsteen) to "Satchy". It's a preety cool album, you shuold check it out. And I wish I could meet him sometime, and I wish even more that he comes around here to some shows and stuff!
Lata.
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sao Paulo - Brazil vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html Always in the #ytsejam! ------------------------- This message was sent by INFINITY. IP:206.138.205.57 WWW:http://www.infinity.com.br
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:01:00 -0500 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yes lineup changes Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0001B0DA@adnc.ameridata.com>
....Late 1972-late 1974 (not much of a change, Bill Bruford left, Alan White joined) Album Recorded: Tales From Topographic Oceans
This isn't exactly true. BB left and AW joined during the Yessongs tour (check the Yessongs credits--TFTO was AW's first Yes studio LP
Technically, Patrick Moraz also did keys on some of the pieces on the Yesshows tour/LP.
.....They finished with that, then Jethro Tull came on. They were great. Opened up with that one song..."SITTING ON A PARK BENCH" dadadada daaaadaaaaa you know. :
its called AQUALUNG................................."not that one song"
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:38:11 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: It's not just lean....it's gangsta lean! Message-ID: <199609231938.MAA15766@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
>Well maybe it is time for my annual post about early Genesis. That is, >pre-1978 Genesis. Specifically, pre- "Earth Wind and Phil" Genesis. Great >stuff. Really. There was a lot of decent prog from them. Not prog metal >even in a stretch. But, prog. They were somewhat weak in their guitar >playing (for those who evaluate guitar playing in a prog metal sense) and >heavy on the keys. They did throw a few bizarre songs in every once in a >while and the lyrics are frequently way out there, but from a songwriting >perspective, they had a really decent thing going. And, many of these can >be found in the el cheapo bins or the used record store. Try to get >Seconds Out (double live) for a sampling. Disk two is classic.
Absolutely. Although I have some misgivings about "weak in their guitar playing" where we're talking about Steve Hackett. Clearly, Mike Rutherford isn't an awesome guitar player by any stretch....Hackett (and Darryl Steurmer, for that matter) is superior, but he was a tremendous bass player and a fine all-around musician. If you go back far enough..."Where The Sour Turns To Sweet" and "Trespass," for example, you can find some really odd-sounding stuff. Very cool.
Incidentally, I actually dug out my GTR CD after the discussion going on here about the band. I've gotta say that I forgot what a progressive pop/rock gem "When The Heart Rules The Mind" is. The rest of the record's strong, too. Not bad for a buck....
>From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
>Francis Dunnery left "It Bites" to pursue a solo career... His first >solo-album was "Welcome To The Wild Country" and has only been released >by Virgin Japan in '91... Virgin got taken over that year (right?), and >his album was never released in any other country after that... >I got it on import for $ 45 ! It's a really great album, imo :-) >...Since then, Francis has released two more studio albums, "Fearless" and >"Tall Blonde Helicopter" (don't have that one yet) and a mainly acoustic >live-album called "One Night In Sauchiehall Street" (don't have that one >either, yet).
I'd recommend both "Fearless" and "Tall Blonde Helicopter" to most anyone, with one caveat -- he's really kind of a progressive folk musician. If Michael Hedges did the quirky pop think, perhaps....it isn't for a metalhead, really.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Queen: Innuendo 3. Simon and Garfunkel: Greatest Hits 4. Queensryche: Empire 5. T-Ride: Zombies From Hell
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:35:24 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: wahhhh Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960923203524.006b3870@mail.inlink.com>
> >I saw Zakk Wylde last Wed.. very cool.. just him and another guitarist >playing acoustic/electrics.. and a piano.. 2 hrs worth.. the time just >flew by.. he was amazing.. if you get the chance.. see him.. oh. and >bring along an open mind..
he was going to be here, i was goinna go, i was hyped more than i had been for any concert.. then venues changed, things got fucked, and i MISSED IT. sounds like a truly AMAZING show though... i'll second the notion for anyone to go see him, he's great... and bring me along :) ~Rip
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:38:54 -0700 From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <32471F8E.4B29@dreamt.org>
So I'm as caught up as I can be. I just skimmed through the last 10 jams or so and I have a few thoughts. bear with me, I know I'm behind. 1.So who is the real Ibanez of the ytsejam? Apparently that other guy came first, but we all know Rob. 2.Rage and 311 are rapcore, not alternative. 311 is not a one hit wonder band of the 90s because they've been around since the 80s. Their best album, Grassroots, never recieved any commercial airply. And Rage only says they use no keys because they want the people to know that all of the weird sounds come from Tom's guitar, not from a synthesizer. 3.I'm really sick of writing about Pearl Jam on here, but I will ONE MORE TIME. I think that stone and mike are really good guitarists. They don't just play barre chords, they have real songs with riffs and solos, unlike most Nirvana songs. 4.Could someone tell me how to reply from Netscape without RESENDING THE WHOLE DAMN JAM?! thank you, drive thorugh
later--------------Brian
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:43:34 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a moo for you Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960923204334.006b3514@mail.inlink.com>
> > >Actually, Yngwie said even nicer things than Mindcrimer! Yngwie actually >called I&W brilliant, but he didn't like the "choice of beats" by MP. But he >did complement the drumming in Under a Glass Moon. >
sorry bout that... i've got to watch out for these Yngwie quoters... theyre everywhere! :) ~Rip
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