YTSEJAM Digest 1871
Today's Topics:
1) Two Ethyl Mertz shows
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
2) Serious Ibanez omission!
by trucks@lorentzian.com (Gary Trucks)
3) YtseCon III
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
4) Fire Garden Comment
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
6) My Rockline Experience
by Matt Masi <dblagnt@stone.tmok.com>
7) =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A2?=
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1869
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
9) Re: zoom
by shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
10) greenday covering DT
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) Derek Sherinian
by Rick <Richard_Harris@brown.edu>
12) Re: First Impressions
by blane@nla.gov.au
13) Voices: Lemur & Labrie
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
14) security @ St. Louis
by "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
15) DREG Records compilation and Clockwork
by FMTG05A@prodigy.com (MR ANTHONY L SCIAMANNA SR)
16) Re: This is because you are a dick.
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
17) DREG Records compilation and Clockwork
by kurt@fgallery.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:35:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Two Ethyl Mertz shows
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.960925123041.7297A-100000@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey, what's up? Just wanted to let you know that there are TWO Ethyl
Mertz shows coming up this weekend! The first one will be this Friday
Night at People's Pub. THis is a special show becuase it is Al Pirtelli's
birthday this Friday, so come on down and celebrate! The number for
People's is (516) 499-2708.
The second show will be the following night (Saturday) at the Village Pub
in Port Jefferson. I don't have the number for that one, can a kind soul
please call information and look up their phone number? Or perhaps look
it up in the telephone book? Muchas gracias =)
Anyways, hope that you can make it, I'll talk to you soon!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*>
<*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*>
<*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Dorm (212) 853-2238 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:03:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: trucks@lorentzian.com (Gary Trucks)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Serious Ibanez omission!
Message-ID: <QQbisj05499.199609251729@relay5.UU.NET>
>well i am not sure if there can be only one true Ibanez!!! Let us see, we
>have the universe, rg770, 760, 750, 570, 560, 550, 540sltd, the satriani
>model, the jem (and all its variations) the reb beach model, the paul stanley
>model, the talman, the paul gilbert model, the american master series....come
>on if there are that many of the guitars there can be that many people named
>Ibanez....lol
You dare mention all these Ibanez on the jam without mentioning the JP
models (JPM100ltd and JPM100p2)??!!
gt
p.s. How many of guitar playing jammers play Ibanez? I play a jpm100p2!
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:41:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: YtseCon III
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.960925133219.477A-100000@namaste.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! Here's an update for the YtseCon III! First of all, it will
take place at the La Guardia Marriot (Queens, NY), on Saturday, October
12th from 1pm to 5pm. We have spoken to Dream Theater and management, and
they say that there is a good chance that they will be there.
The cost for pre-paid tickets is $20 per person. The cost at the door
will be $25 per person. This will cover the cost of the conference room
and other miscellaneous stuff (name tags, programs, etc.). If you would
like to pay in advance, please send a check to:
YtseCon III
c/o Jeff Chew
350 Broadway, Suite 703
New York, NY 10013
When you send a check, please include a note or letter that says your
name, return address, e-mail address, and phone number. This makes things
a lot easier for us when we send the tickets back to you, plus if we ever
need to get in contact with you.
Since the Con is coming up pretty close already, and we haven't had the
chance to get our acts together to mail out the tickets/name tags, we've
decided to distribute the name tags (they will be numbered) at the door.
So, you will have to bring a form of ID so you can pick up your ticket.
Due to the lack of reservations, we have decided to return the block of 75
rooms to the Marriot. So, we have arranged it so that you can contact the
Marriot through their 800 number. If you need a room, call the La Guardia
Marriot at 1-800-882-1043. *REMEMBER TO TELL THEM THAT YOU ARE GOING TO
THE "DREAM THEATER CONVENTION"*. The deadline to reserve a room is
October 4th. If you need to find someone to split a room with, the staff
is still doing that (well, Greg is), so you can contact him at
grc8@columbia.edu.
If you plan on flying to the YtseCon III, we have arranged something with
Rich Worldwide Travel so you can reserve airline tickets through them by
calling their 800 number. Please call 1-800-431-1130, and tell them that
you are going to the 'Dream Theater Convention'.
If you can provide a ride to the YtseCon III, or if you are in need of a
ride, please contact me by either e-mailing me or calling me and I will
see what I can do.
Syrinx gave me the idea of writing up a list of paid tickets. If you sent
out a check to me and you're not on the list, let me know! IT could be
either lost in the mail or it didn't get to me yet. Well, here goes:
1N - One night reserved at the Marriot (these are only the ones that were
sent to me rather than directly to the Marriot)
2N - Two nights reserved at the MArriot
R - Providing rides
L - Providing a place to stay
Paid:
001 Ryan T. Rafaloff 002 Ryan T. Rafaloff 003 David Neff
004 Sean Haider 005 Sean Haider 006 Brian Anderson + 1N
007 Brian Anderson 008 Brian Anderson 009 Pat Gravino
010 Mike Ostrich + 1N 011 Mike Ostrich 012 Dave Pack
013 Brian Levy 014 Jason Breitweg 015 Mike Bahr + 1N
016 Josh Sager 017 Josh Sager 018 Josh Sager
019 Josh Sager 020 Jeff Chew 021 Greg Chew
022 Michael Pomerleau 023 Michael Pomerleau 024 Matthew Erwich
025 Paul Cashman 026 Brian Kirk 027 Brian Kirk
028 Jeffrey Falk 029 Pat Sullivan 030 Joe Cristina
Okay, that's it so far. It's not looking very good so far, and I really
need the money to put the deposit on the conference room, so I'd prefer if
you guys sent me the money ahead of time rather than paying more at the
door. That's it for now. If there are any mistakes, e-mail me! I'll
talk to you soon!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*>
<*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*>
<*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Dorm (212) 853-2238 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:40:52 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fire Garden Comment
Message-ID: <199609251935.OAA33152@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
To all-
I don't know, but I think all the piano on Fire Garden Suite and on Bangkok
are sequenced....I don't know if Steve taught himself how to play, but I
think it's sequenced. If it's not, the Steve IS a god. enough said,
__________________________________________________
"A real work of art destroys, in the consciousness of the receiver,
the separation between himself and the artist."
-Leo Tolstoy
__________________________________________________
Ryan Good - Madison Student Radio; Music Stapher
the Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster
Home - 608-258-1587
Pocket - 1-888-845-1150
"Madison Student Radio: It's coming!"
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:41:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.960925153612.22702A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
nI'd like to say something about pop music which isn't really bad or good.
The thing is, bands come out every year which can attract the ear of the
public. I've heard all the music my sister listens to (Elastica, Green
Day, Pearl Jam, etc.) These bands, though will go out, like Pearl Jam is
slowly doing now as they get more and more alternative, and be replaced by
other pop bands. Pearl Jam will be remembered because of Ten adn nothing
else. Other bands, like Elastica for example, will never be remembered in
twenty years. Dream Theater and especially Rush and Journey (though DT is
my favorite band) will be remembered for a long time. This is because
they go against the grain and never totally serve the public with their
music. Therefore, let's just let pop-lovers love whatever music they want
since it's usually just a trend which catches the ear for a while. Yes,
it is somewhat tallented to write music so many "trendy" people want to
listen to, but who cares. It will all pass. Take care and be well.
Matt B
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 16:41:30 -0400
From: Matt Masi <dblagnt@stone.tmok.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My Rockline Experience
Message-ID: <199609252041.QAA12851@stone.tmok.com>
On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, D-Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> wrote [re: Rockline]:
> I listened to most of it and taped all of it. I think the highlight
> would have to be one of our fellow Jammers getting through and asking a
> question. :) Matt from Barrington, RI, get on up here and tell us your
> story.
Well, maybe, if you twist my arm hard enough.. OK, OK, stop it, you
behemoth! :)
Yes, here I am, straight out of the alleys of obscurity. I used to be a
semi-regular poster about a year ago, but I've been firmly set in lurk mode
ever since. I'm still reeling over this, guys.. I talked to Geddy Lee and
Alex Lifeson the other night! I have to keep repeating it, because it seems
surreal.
This is the first time I even attempted to get through to Rockline. I just
made up my mind that I wanted to talk to Geddy and Alex, and I did! I
thought the question about the vocals in "Limbo" would be interesting enough
(I wanted to show interest in the new album, not CoS :), so I set out on my
adventure to get through.
I guess the secret is to call the show early. I called about 10 minutes
before it started, and it was busy even then. I kept trying for about 3
minutes until I got through. One of the operators asked me my question, and
then all sorts of general info (name, address, phone #, radio station I was
listening to). Then he said "we can't guarantee you'll be able to ask your
question," and he put me on hold.
So, I sat listening to the show through the phone while recording it on the
radio and taking the commercials out. There was about a 5 second delay
between the phone and the radio. Anyway, there I was in mental anguish,
wondering if I would get on or not for about an hour and 10 minutes, and then
during a commercial break, a different operator cut in. He asked my name and
question again, and told me I would be on next, the second caller after the
commercials! He then proceeded to give me a series of "rules", like "turn
your radio off, don't ask 'how are you doing?', keep the question short, and
don't hang up when you finish asking the question, we'll hang you up."
I thought, "OK, this is it." When they came back from commercials, I
honestly felt like I was having a freakin' heart attack, my heart was
pounding so hard and fast. It felt like they were extending the guy's
question before mine for an eternity (it was interesting, about bands Ged and
Al like/have seen, but I wasn't listening to it then!) FINALLY, the
announcer says, "Matt in Barrington, Rhode Island, WHJY in Providence is the
station there. Hey, Matt!" This is how it went:
Me: Hey! Hello Geddy and Alex!
AL: Hey, Matt!
GL: Hi!
Me: Uh, first I'd like to say, I, uh, I really enjoy your new album, and
thanks for all the great music. Uh.. my question--
AL/GL: Thank you.
Me: Yup, my question is for Geddy, uh, about the great new instrumental,
"Limbo." Uh, Geddy, in this track, uh, you use your voice as sort of a
textural device, as opposed to singing actual lyrics. Um, my question
is, what inspired you to put, uh, vocals in this instrumental? They're a
bit reminiscent of "2112: Overture".
GL: Um, I can't really remember how that came about. It just, uh.. it seemed
like, at the time, we were writing this part, and it needed some more
melody, and we were kind of in a mode where we were trying not to rely
too much on keyboards. And, uh.. so, I sang this kind of scratch vocal
thing, and it created a nice, kind of melodic content in that section.
And, uh.. I think everybody just kinda got used to it being there, and,
uh.. we didn't bother kind of complementing it with a lot of other
keyboards and things like that. We kept it a little more pure that way,
and also kept the orchestration to a minimum.
Ann: Thanks, Matt, for the call..
Damn, did I sound like a dorq! I always say 'uh' and 'um' a lot when I'm
nervous (especially public speaking), and I count 8 right there in my
question. Anyway, since this is getting waay too long, I'll just say that
that was an event that I won't soon forget, and I get a free TFE CD to show
for it (like I didn't buy it the milisecond it was released :)
Oh, one more thing. On IRC, D-Man asked why I didn't ask my question about
the Rush tribute. Well, besides totally forgetting about it, I just had a
thought. The one (and probably only) time I get a chance to talk to two
members of my favorite band, I _don't_ want to get on their bad sides! :)
They didn't want the album to be released in the first place, and I would
have probably gotten a short, snappy answer like last Rockline when that guy
asked Al about the author of Visions. Besides, if Atlantic has a lawsuit
pending against Magna Carta, they might not have been able to talk about it
at all.
Damn, that was long! See everyone on IRC..
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:55:10 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A2?=
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960925225510.006b5440@mail.inlink.com>
just snagged up Test for Echo.. so far its reeeaally good. i just think
it's a great kick back into the world of releasing CDs for the boys and i
really hope i dont get screwed out of tix for the stl. show, i doubt it
because i'll try lotsa shit to get tickets :) just wanted to throw my two
in...
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:05:46 +0000
From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1869
Message-ID: <3249828A.1C27@earthlink.net>
> >DT opinion: Mr. Sherinian will never be the force that Kevmo was in DT
> >on I&W, thereby reducing keys to support status, rather than co-lead
> >instrument forever in DT.......
>
what?!?!?!?!?!?!?!, I disagreee with this, Mr. Sherinian is an
execptional keyboard player, and seems to fit in well with this band,
I have to say that I don't know anything anout his creative styles,
only for what I have heard on 2 live boots that I have with him on
them. I noticed some minor changes he has added and it sounds like he
has a darker edge. Only the new album will determine his creative
talents so I guess we will have to wait but I think he is quite the
force that KM was.
my 2 cents
cheers
stan
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:05:54 -0600
From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: zoom
Message-ID: <v01530500ae6f77445b50@[206.104.9.2]>
I wouldn't get anything made by zoom. I have heard a few of their
processors, and have liked NONE. I'm not familiar with the 505, though, so
it might be ok. If it has a preamp (distortion and stuff) i strongly
reccommend avoiding it. Even the tube preamp in the rackmount unit (i
can't remember what it is called) is horrible. If you want a good effects
unit, try alesis. Their effects are fantastic (preamp here could use a
little work as well, try to avoid it). You can get a used quadraverb for
around $200-400. the new quadraverb is more expensive, though, like around
800 i think, but the old one is just great. Digitech also makes fantastic
effects, and the preamps are pretty good, if not very good. that's my
$0.02.
Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a. . . oh. . . I'll get right on it then.
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:04:55 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: greenday covering DT
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960925230455.006b3984@mail.inlink.com>
come on guys, this is a joke, i dont think anyone in their right mind was
serious talking about it.
now greenday covering Yngwie... i could see that ;)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:08:21 -0400
From: Rick <Richard_Harris@brown.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek Sherinian
Message-ID: <199609252309.TAA02416@golden.brown.edu>
> DT opinion: Mr. Sherinian will never be the force that Kevmo was in DT
> on I&W, thereby reducing keys to support status, rather than co-lead
> instrument forever in DT.......
I've been a fan only since I&W, so I have only heard WDADU in
retrospect, but I can't help but wonder what the fans of the group thought
about the change from Domminici to LaBrie. Did they say, "Oh, the new
singer will never be the force that Domminici was in DT on WDADU, thereby
reducing the vocals to something less than what they were," or were they
more open minded. I thought Kevin Moore was and still is great, but, I
would like to really see what Derek has to offer before I start talking
about reducing keys to support status. I would like to hear from any pre
I&W fans as to whether they had like anxieties about James LaBrie.
~Rick
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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:14:01 +0000
From: blane@nla.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: First Impressions
Message-ID: <199609252316.JAA40657@email.nla.gov.au>
Greetings Ye of the Jam,
>I think it's normal. I haven't actually listened to Awake for a
>couple of months, yet I listen to I&W endlessly. I think DT will
>still go far with Derek, and don't look past him to do co-leads with
>JP, Kev wasn't the only one who can shred the keys. I will miss
>Kevin though and I think there are few people in this world, short of
>Yanni and Kenny G, etc. (no flames, please), who can represent emotions through song as well as he could.
I think Derek will suprise most of us with his general talent for
music. From just listening to the little interludes he does on boots
such as the New Haven one, the boys got talent. Please try not to
compare him to KevMo, they are different musicians and different
people who just happen to be two of the wildest keyboard players.
Enjoy them both, you will always have Kevin, now you can have Derek
too.
>My biggest problem is that when I explore new musical boundaries
>anymore, I caompare every band to DT! I can listen to anything and
>find myself going, "Hrm, this is okay, but it's no Dream Theater."
>My friend also has this problem. Is there counseling for this sort
>of thing?
I finally overcame this problem, after 2 years. Superior was the
cure, they made me open my eyes to all that is prog. Now my CD
collection has grown from 100 useless CDs I couldn't listen and 5
DT CDs which never left the player to, 101 useless CD's and about 25
awesome prog CD's all of which still blow my mind when I play em.
ahhhh, life be grand lads and lasses.
Brett
---------------------------------------------------------------
Brett Lane blane@nla.gov.au
CSC Australia Phone: +61 6 262 1659
A Unit of Computer Sciences Corporation FAX: +61 6 273 2116
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:25:33 -0500
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Vomiting In Digital <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Voices: Lemur & Labrie
Message-ID: <v01540b02ae6f7629a5aa@bootp-246-17.bootp.virginia.edu>
Jim writes:
> Kevin wears his heart on his sleeve, and nobody plays keyboard with
> his sleeve like Kevin Moore does.
This gets my vote for Ytse-Quote of the week.
I bought Lemur Voice's "Insights", and yes it rocks nadz. That one supreme
headbanging Primus part in "Akasha Chronicles"-- proving that prog can be
funky.
And the lyrics really are good... I find myself at odd hours of the day
going "Pos-it-ive... En-er-gy... FLOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWSS!!!"
You know, Lemur Voice is a good example of why a good band name is
important. I don't think I would've bought it if it had stayed "Aura"
(sounds like your typical prog band name), but "Lemur Voice" is such a
freakin' weird name that I was immediately interested. Nice work, Marcel.
How'd you pick that name, anyway?
You look like a thin Sam Kinison, by the way. And the front cover looks
like you're all standing in my apartment.
I got "Test For Echo", and It Is A Good Thing. I agree with the people who
say that that Stone Guy rules. He rules. Just try to ignore the fact that
he's a Photoshopped image made of tiny little pebbles.
What I wanted to bring up was the instrumental "Limbo" on TFE, as well as
the Lemur Voice instrumental "Celestial Haze"; both of these have no
lyrics, but the vocalist performs on them. Just singing a
melody/countermelody.
This is such a goddamn cool idea-- hearing the human voice singing as just
an instrument is awesome to hear. Remember Geddy Lee singing "ahhh" at the
beginning of "2112"? Dream Theater needs to do this-- put James in the
instrumentals. Maybe even give him a little vocal cadenza that we can all
howl along with. Plus, live, it'd give James something to do during the
instrumentals besides running around like a man possessed. And as long as
he doesn't do those "Whoooaaa, yeaaaaaah" things like on Long Island
Expressway.
One more thing: believe it or not, the current HotWired (hotwired.com, duh)
has a music column about Prog Rock. DT is not mentioned.
Out,
Scott.
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:31:16 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: security @ St. Louis
Message-ID: <3249CED4.AD2@mo.net>
Well, about the security at the Kiel Center for the Oct. 31 Rush show,
it will probably be kind of heavy (meaning that it would be rather
difficult to sneak recorders, etc. in). I've only been there once
before, and it wasn't for a regular concert, so I don't know how it will
actually be, but on the ticket stub, it says "no cameras or recorders,"
so I figure they'll be on the look out for them. Good luck, and if
anyone does end up taping this show, I want a copy :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:02:22, -0500
From: FMTG05A@prodigy.com (MR ANTHONY L SCIAMANNA SR)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DREG Records compilation and Clockwork
Message-ID: <199609260002.UAA10250@mime3.prodigy.com>
I urge everyone to check out the DREG Records compilation it has a
lot of independent prog. bands featured on it. For anyone who has
"Weaving Webs of Time" by Clockwork you'll notice that we have a new
singer on the compilation. He did an excellent job, however after the
recording session for the compilation the band and the singer had
encountered difficulties working together. We've since gotten a new
singer who will be on our new CD, who we feel is even better than the
singer on the compilation. For those of you looking for the CD, I'll
keep you posted on the release. All of the tracks are recorded just
not mixed and mastered yet. Be sure to get the compilation disc,
besides getting the new version of "Reflections" you also get 11
other prog. bands. Just wanted to clear up the singer thing.
-Anthony Sciamanna
CLOCKWORK
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 20:30:00 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: This is because you are a dick.
Message-ID: <9609260030.AA05485@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Chirs, chirs, man, you need to relax. Hey, this was probably an automated
message, you know? I mean, I may be wrong, and maybe this guy is a moreon,
but it sounds like an automated message. However, Chris, I understand your
pain and I am with you. Can I get an amen?
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:07:54 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DREG Records compilation and Clockwork
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.25.-11.7.54.2916992174.346692@bbs.fgallery.com>
Cool!! hey i heard the wav of reflections and for me it was a nice
surprise .hehe to hear the new singer and all.. well i hope the new one
is even better and can help you reach your goals.. best wishes..and stil
waiting for your new cd..!! ):)\
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