YTSEJAM digest 1871

Date: Wed Sep 25 1996 - 21:15:19 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Two Ethyl Mertz shows
     by Jeff Chew <>
      2) Serious Ibanez omission!
     by (Gary Trucks)
      3) YtseCon III
     by Jeff Chew <>
      4) Fire Garden Comment
     by Ryan Good <>
      5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
     by Stephen Daedalus <>
      6) My Rockline Experience
     by Matt Masi <>
      7) =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A2?=
     by RipZero <>
      8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1869
     by Stan <>
      9) Re: zoom
     by (Jim Shields)
     10) greenday covering DT
     by RipZero <>
     11) Derek Sherinian
     by Rick <>
     12) Re: First Impressions
     13) Voices: Lemur & Labrie
     by Scotch <>
     14) security @ St. Louis
     by "Dale R. Newberry" <>
     15) DREG Records compilation and Clockwork
     16) Re: This is because you are a dick.
     by "Damon M. Fibraio" <>
     17) DREG Records compilation and Clockwork


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:35:16 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Jeff Chew <>
    To: The BafuJam <>
    Subject: Two Ethyl Mertz shows
    Message-ID: <>

    Dear jammers,

    Hey, what's up? Just wanted to let you know that there are TWO Ethyl
    Mertz shows coming up this weekend! The first one will be this Friday
    Night at People's Pub. THis is a special show becuase it is Al Pirtelli's
    birthday this Friday, so come on down and celebrate! The number for
    People's is (516) 499-2708.

    The second show will be the following night (Saturday) at the Village Pub
    in Port Jefferson. I don't have the number for that one, can a kind soul
    please call information and look up their phone number? Or perhaps look
    it up in the telephone book? Muchas gracias =)

    Anyways, hope that you can make it, I'll talk to you soon!

    Jeff =)

                <*> Jeff Chew <*> <*>
        <*> <*> <*> <*>
      <*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Dorm (212) 853-2238 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>

           "Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:03:13 -0400 (EDT)
    From: (Gary Trucks)
    Subject: Serious Ibanez omission!
    Message-ID: <QQbisj05499.199609251729@relay5.UU.NET>

    >well i am not sure if there can be only one true Ibanez!!! Let us see, we
    >have the universe, rg770, 760, 750, 570, 560, 550, 540sltd, the satriani
    >model, the jem (and all its variations) the reb beach model, the paul stanley
    >model, the talman, the paul gilbert model, the american master series....come
    >on if there are that many of the guitars there can be that many people named

     You dare mention all these Ibanez on the jam without mentioning the JP
     models (JPM100ltd and JPM100p2)??!!


     p.s. How many of guitar playing jammers play Ibanez? I play a jpm100p2!


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:41:40 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Jeff Chew <>
    To: The BafuJam <>
    Subject: YtseCon III
    Message-ID: <>

    Dear jammers,

    Hey there! Here's an update for the YtseCon III! First of all, it will
    take place at the La Guardia Marriot (Queens, NY), on Saturday, October
    12th from 1pm to 5pm. We have spoken to Dream Theater and management, and
    they say that there is a good chance that they will be there.

    The cost for pre-paid tickets is $20 per person. The cost at the door
    will be $25 per person. This will cover the cost of the conference room
    and other miscellaneous stuff (name tags, programs, etc.). If you would
    like to pay in advance, please send a check to:

    YtseCon III
    c/o Jeff Chew
    350 Broadway, Suite 703
    New York, NY 10013

    When you send a check, please include a note or letter that says your
    name, return address, e-mail address, and phone number. This makes things
    a lot easier for us when we send the tickets back to you, plus if we ever
    need to get in contact with you.

    Since the Con is coming up pretty close already, and we haven't had the
    chance to get our acts together to mail out the tickets/name tags, we've
    decided to distribute the name tags (they will be numbered) at the door.
    So, you will have to bring a form of ID so you can pick up your ticket.

    Due to the lack of reservations, we have decided to return the block of 75
    rooms to the Marriot. So, we have arranged it so that you can contact the
    Marriot through their 800 number. If you need a room, call the La Guardia
    Marriot at 1-800-882-1043. *REMEMBER TO TELL THEM THAT YOU ARE GOING TO
    THE "DREAM THEATER CONVENTION"*. The deadline to reserve a room is
    October 4th. If you need to find someone to split a room with, the staff
    is still doing that (well, Greg is), so you can contact him at

    If you plan on flying to the YtseCon III, we have arranged something with
    Rich Worldwide Travel so you can reserve airline tickets through them by
    calling their 800 number. Please call 1-800-431-1130, and tell them that
    you are going to the 'Dream Theater Convention'.

    If you can provide a ride to the YtseCon III, or if you are in need of a
    ride, please contact me by either e-mailing me or calling me and I will
    see what I can do.

    Syrinx gave me the idea of writing up a list of paid tickets. If you sent
    out a check to me and you're not on the list, let me know! IT could be
    either lost in the mail or it didn't get to me yet. Well, here goes:

    1N - One night reserved at the Marriot (these are only the ones that were
    sent to me rather than directly to the Marriot)

    2N - Two nights reserved at the MArriot

    R - Providing rides
    L - Providing a place to stay

    001 Ryan T. Rafaloff 002 Ryan T. Rafaloff 003 David Neff
    004 Sean Haider 005 Sean Haider 006 Brian Anderson + 1N
    007 Brian Anderson 008 Brian Anderson 009 Pat Gravino
    010 Mike Ostrich + 1N 011 Mike Ostrich 012 Dave Pack
    013 Brian Levy 014 Jason Breitweg 015 Mike Bahr + 1N
    016 Josh Sager 017 Josh Sager 018 Josh Sager
    019 Josh Sager 020 Jeff Chew 021 Greg Chew
    022 Michael Pomerleau 023 Michael Pomerleau 024 Matthew Erwich
    025 Paul Cashman 026 Brian Kirk 027 Brian Kirk
    028 Jeffrey Falk 029 Pat Sullivan 030 Joe Cristina
    Okay, that's it so far. It's not looking very good so far, and I really
    need the money to put the deposit on the conference room, so I'd prefer if
    you guys sent me the money ahead of time rather than paying more at the
    door. That's it for now. If there are any mistakes, e-mail me! I'll
    talk to you soon!

    Jeff =)

                <*> Jeff Chew <*> <*>
        <*> <*> <*> <*>
      <*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Dorm (212) 853-2238 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>

           "Smile! No one will know what you're up to!" --- Lea Salonga


    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:40:52 -0500
    From: Ryan Good <>
    Subject: Fire Garden Comment
    Message-ID: <>

    To all-
    I don't know, but I think all the piano on Fire Garden Suite and on Bangkok
    are sequenced....I don't know if Steve taught himself how to play, but I
    think it's sequenced. If it's not, the Steve IS a god. enough said,
    "A real work of art destroys, in the consciousness of the receiver,
    the separation between himself and the artist."
                                    -Leo Tolstoy

    Ryan Good - Madison Student Radio; Music Stapher
    the Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster
    Home - 608-258-1587
    Pocket - 1-888-845-1150

    "Madison Student Radio: It's coming!"


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:41:09 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Stephen Daedalus <>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1868
    Message-ID: <>

    nI'd like to say something about pop music which isn't really bad or good.
    The thing is, bands come out every year which can attract the ear of the
    public. I've heard all the music my sister listens to (Elastica, Green
    Day, Pearl Jam, etc.) These bands, though will go out, like Pearl Jam is
    slowly doing now as they get more and more alternative, and be replaced by
    other pop bands. Pearl Jam will be remembered because of Ten adn nothing
    else. Other bands, like Elastica for example, will never be remembered in
    twenty years. Dream Theater and especially Rush and Journey (though DT is
    my favorite band) will be remembered for a long time. This is because
    they go against the grain and never totally serve the public with their
    music. Therefore, let's just let pop-lovers love whatever music they want
    since it's usually just a trend which catches the ear for a while. Yes,
    it is somewhat tallented to write music so many "trendy" people want to
    listen to, but who cares. It will all pass. Take care and be well.
    Matt B


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 16:41:30 -0400
    From: Matt Masi <>
    Subject: My Rockline Experience
    Message-ID: <>

    On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, D-Man <> wrote [re: Rockline]:
    > I listened to most of it and taped all of it. I think the highlight
    > would have to be one of our fellow Jammers getting through and asking a
    > question. :) Matt from Barrington, RI, get on up here and tell us your
    > story.
     Well, maybe, if you twist my arm hard enough.. OK, OK, stop it, you
    behemoth! :)
     Yes, here I am, straight out of the alleys of obscurity. I used to be a
    semi-regular poster about a year ago, but I've been firmly set in lurk mode
    ever since. I'm still reeling over this, guys.. I talked to Geddy Lee and
    Alex Lifeson the other night! I have to keep repeating it, because it seems
     This is the first time I even attempted to get through to Rockline. I just
    made up my mind that I wanted to talk to Geddy and Alex, and I did! I
    thought the question about the vocals in "Limbo" would be interesting enough
    (I wanted to show interest in the new album, not CoS :), so I set out on my
    adventure to get through.
     I guess the secret is to call the show early. I called about 10 minutes
    before it started, and it was busy even then. I kept trying for about 3
    minutes until I got through. One of the operators asked me my question, and
    then all sorts of general info (name, address, phone #, radio station I was
    listening to). Then he said "we can't guarantee you'll be able to ask your
    question," and he put me on hold.
     So, I sat listening to the show through the phone while recording it on the
    radio and taking the commercials out. There was about a 5 second delay
    between the phone and the radio. Anyway, there I was in mental anguish,
    wondering if I would get on or not for about an hour and 10 minutes, and then
    during a commercial break, a different operator cut in. He asked my name and
    question again, and told me I would be on next, the second caller after the
    commercials! He then proceeded to give me a series of "rules", like "turn
    your radio off, don't ask 'how are you doing?', keep the question short, and
    don't hang up when you finish asking the question, we'll hang you up."
     I thought, "OK, this is it." When they came back from commercials, I
    honestly felt like I was having a freakin' heart attack, my heart was
    pounding so hard and fast. It felt like they were extending the guy's
    question before mine for an eternity (it was interesting, about bands Ged and
    Al like/have seen, but I wasn't listening to it then!) FINALLY, the
    announcer says, "Matt in Barrington, Rhode Island, WHJY in Providence is the
    station there. Hey, Matt!" This is how it went:
    Me: Hey! Hello Geddy and Alex!
    AL: Hey, Matt!
    GL: Hi!
    Me: Uh, first I'd like to say, I, uh, I really enjoy your new album, and
        thanks for all the great music. Uh.. my question--
    AL/GL: Thank you.
    Me: Yup, my question is for Geddy, uh, about the great new instrumental,
        "Limbo." Uh, Geddy, in this track, uh, you use your voice as sort of a
        textural device, as opposed to singing actual lyrics. Um, my question
        is, what inspired you to put, uh, vocals in this instrumental? They're a
        bit reminiscent of "2112: Overture".
    GL: Um, I can't really remember how that came about. It just, uh.. it seemed
        like, at the time, we were writing this part, and it needed some more
        melody, and we were kind of in a mode where we were trying not to rely
        too much on keyboards. And, uh.. so, I sang this kind of scratch vocal
        thing, and it created a nice, kind of melodic content in that section.
        And, uh.. I think everybody just kinda got used to it being there, and,
        uh.. we didn't bother kind of complementing it with a lot of other
        keyboards and things like that. We kept it a little more pure that way,
        and also kept the orchestration to a minimum.
    Ann: Thanks, Matt, for the call..
     Damn, did I sound like a dorq! I always say 'uh' and 'um' a lot when I'm
    nervous (especially public speaking), and I count 8 right there in my
    question. Anyway, since this is getting waay too long, I'll just say that
    that was an event that I won't soon forget, and I get a free TFE CD to show
    for it (like I didn't buy it the milisecond it was released :)
     Oh, one more thing. On IRC, D-Man asked why I didn't ask my question about
    the Rush tribute. Well, besides totally forgetting about it, I just had a
    thought. The one (and probably only) time I get a chance to talk to two
    members of my favorite band, I _don't_ want to get on their bad sides! :)
    They didn't want the album to be released in the first place, and I would
    have probably gotten a short, snappy answer like last Rockline when that guy
    asked Al about the author of Visions. Besides, if Atlantic has a lawsuit
    pending against Magna Carta, they might not have been able to talk about it
    at all.
     Damn, that was long! See everyone on IRC..


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:55:10 -0500
    From: RipZero <>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <>
    Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A2?=
    Message-ID: <>

    just snagged up Test for Echo.. so far its reeeaally good. i just think
    it's a great kick back into the world of releasing CDs for the boys and i
    really hope i dont get screwed out of tix for the stl. show, i doubt it
    because i'll try lotsa shit to get tickets :) just wanted to throw my two



    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:05:46 +0000
    From: Stan <>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1869
    Message-ID: <>

    > >DT opinion: Mr. Sherinian will never be the force that Kevmo was in DT
    > >on I&W, thereby reducing keys to support status, rather than co-lead
    > >instrument forever in DT.......

    what?!?!?!?!?!?!?!, I disagreee with this, Mr. Sherinian is an
    execptional keyboard player, and seems to fit in well with this band,
    I have to say that I don't know anything anout his creative styles,
    only for what I have heard on 2 live boots that I have with him on
    them. I noticed some minor changes he has added and it sounds like he
    has a darker edge. Only the new album will determine his creative
    talents so I guess we will have to wait but I think he is quite the
    force that KM was.

    my 2 cents




    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:05:54 -0600
    From: (Jim Shields)
    Subject: Re: zoom
    Message-ID: <v01530500ae6f77445b50@[]>

    I wouldn't get anything made by zoom. I have heard a few of their
    processors, and have liked NONE. I'm not familiar with the 505, though, so
    it might be ok. If it has a preamp (distortion and stuff) i strongly
    reccommend avoiding it. Even the tube preamp in the rackmount unit (i
    can't remember what it is called) is horrible. If you want a good effects
    unit, try alesis. Their effects are fantastic (preamp here could use a
    little work as well, try to avoid it). You can get a used quadraverb for
    around $200-400. the new quadraverb is more expensive, though, like around
    800 i think, but the old one is just great. Digitech also makes fantastic
    effects, and the preamps are pretty good, if not very good. that's my

    Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a. . . oh. . . I'll get right on it then.


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:04:55 -0500
    From: RipZero <>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <>
    Subject: greenday covering DT
    Message-ID: <>

    come on guys, this is a joke, i dont think anyone in their right mind was
    serious talking about it.

    now greenday covering Yngwie... i could see that ;)



    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:08:21 -0400
    From: Rick <>
    Subject: Derek Sherinian
    Message-ID: <>

    > DT opinion: Mr. Sherinian will never be the force that Kevmo was in DT
    > on I&W, thereby reducing keys to support status, rather than co-lead
    > instrument forever in DT.......

            I've been a fan only since I&W, so I have only heard WDADU in
    retrospect, but I can't help but wonder what the fans of the group thought
    about the change from Domminici to LaBrie. Did they say, "Oh, the new
    singer will never be the force that Domminici was in DT on WDADU, thereby
    reducing the vocals to something less than what they were," or were they
    more open minded. I thought Kevin Moore was and still is great, but, I
    would like to really see what Derek has to offer before I start talking
    about reducing keys to support status. I would like to hear from any pre
    I&W fans as to whether they had like anxieties about James LaBrie.



    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:14:01 +0000
    Subject: Re: First Impressions
    Message-ID: <>

    Greetings Ye of the Jam,

    >I think it's normal. I haven't actually listened to Awake for a
    >couple of months, yet I listen to I&W endlessly. I think DT will
    >still go far with Derek, and don't look past him to do co-leads with
    >JP, Kev wasn't the only one who can shred the keys. I will miss
    >Kevin though and I think there are few people in this world, short of
    >Yanni and Kenny G, etc. (no flames, please), who can represent emotions through song as well as he could.

    I think Derek will suprise most of us with his general talent for
    music. From just listening to the little interludes he does on boots
    such as the New Haven one, the boys got talent. Please try not to
    compare him to KevMo, they are different musicians and different
    people who just happen to be two of the wildest keyboard players.
    Enjoy them both, you will always have Kevin, now you can have Derek

    >My biggest problem is that when I explore new musical boundaries
    >anymore, I caompare every band to DT! I can listen to anything and
    >find myself going, "Hrm, this is okay, but it's no Dream Theater."
    >My friend also has this problem. Is there counseling for this sort
    >of thing?

    I finally overcame this problem, after 2 years. Superior was the
    cure, they made me open my eyes to all that is prog. Now my CD
    collection has grown from 100 useless CDs I couldn't listen and 5
    DT CDs which never left the player to, 101 useless CD's and about 25
    awesome prog CD's all of which still blow my mind when I play em.

    ahhhh, life be grand lads and lasses.


    Brett Lane
    CSC Australia Phone: +61 6 262 1659
    A Unit of Computer Sciences Corporation FAX: +61 6 273 2116


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:25:33 -0500
    From: Scotch <>
    To: Vomiting In Digital <>
    Subject: Voices: Lemur & Labrie
    Message-ID: <>

    Jim writes:

    > Kevin wears his heart on his sleeve, and nobody plays keyboard with
    > his sleeve like Kevin Moore does.

    This gets my vote for Ytse-Quote of the week.

    I bought Lemur Voice's "Insights", and yes it rocks nadz. That one supreme
    headbanging Primus part in "Akasha Chronicles"-- proving that prog can be

    And the lyrics really are good... I find myself at odd hours of the day
    going "Pos-it-ive... En-er-gy... FLOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWSS!!!"

    You know, Lemur Voice is a good example of why a good band name is
    important. I don't think I would've bought it if it had stayed "Aura"
    (sounds like your typical prog band name), but "Lemur Voice" is such a
    freakin' weird name that I was immediately interested. Nice work, Marcel.
    How'd you pick that name, anyway?

    You look like a thin Sam Kinison, by the way. And the front cover looks
    like you're all standing in my apartment.

    I got "Test For Echo", and It Is A Good Thing. I agree with the people who
    say that that Stone Guy rules. He rules. Just try to ignore the fact that
    he's a Photoshopped image made of tiny little pebbles.

    What I wanted to bring up was the instrumental "Limbo" on TFE, as well as
    the Lemur Voice instrumental "Celestial Haze"; both of these have no
    lyrics, but the vocalist performs on them. Just singing a

    This is such a goddamn cool idea-- hearing the human voice singing as just
    an instrument is awesome to hear. Remember Geddy Lee singing "ahhh" at the
    beginning of "2112"? Dream Theater needs to do this-- put James in the
    instrumentals. Maybe even give him a little vocal cadenza that we can all
    howl along with. Plus, live, it'd give James something to do during the
    instrumentals besides running around like a man possessed. And as long as
    he doesn't do those "Whoooaaa, yeaaaaaah" things like on Long Island

    One more thing: believe it or not, the current HotWired (, duh)
    has a music column about Prog Rock. DT is not mentioned.




    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:31:16 -0600
    From: "Dale R. Newberry" <>
    Subject: security @ St. Louis
    Message-ID: <>

    Well, about the security at the Kiel Center for the Oct. 31 Rush show,
    it will probably be kind of heavy (meaning that it would be rather
    difficult to sneak recorders, etc. in). I've only been there once
    before, and it wasn't for a regular concert, so I don't know how it will
    actually be, but on the ticket stub, it says "no cameras or recorders,"
    so I figure they'll be on the look out for them. Good luck, and if
    anyone does end up taping this show, I want a copy :).

                            Dale R. Newberry


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:02:22, -0500
    Subject: DREG Records compilation and Clockwork
    Message-ID: <>

    I urge everyone to check out the DREG Records compilation it has a
    lot of independent prog. bands featured on it. For anyone who has
    "Weaving Webs of Time" by Clockwork you'll notice that we have a new
    singer on the compilation. He did an excellent job, however after the
    recording session for the compilation the band and the singer had
    encountered difficulties working together. We've since gotten a new
    singer who will be on our new CD, who we feel is even better than the
    singer on the compilation. For those of you looking for the CD, I'll
    keep you posted on the release. All of the tracks are recorded just
    not mixed and mastered yet. Be sure to get the compilation disc,
    besides getting the new version of "Reflections" you also get 11
    other prog. bands. Just wanted to clear up the singer thing.
    -Anthony Sciamanna


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 20:30:00 EDT
    From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <>
    Subject: Re: This is because you are a dick.
    Message-ID: <>

    Chirs, chirs, man, you need to relax. Hey, this was probably an automated
    message, you know? I mean, I may be wrong, and maybe this guy is a moreon,
    but it sounds like an automated message. However, Chris, I understand your
    pain and I am with you. Can I get an amen?


    Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:07:54 -0400
    Subject: DREG Records compilation and Clockwork
    Message-ID: <>

    Cool!! hey i heard the wav of reflections and for me it was a nice
    surprise .hehe to hear the new singer and all.. well i hope the new one
    is even better and can help you reach your goals.. best wishes..and stil
    waiting for your new cd..!! ):)\


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