YTSEJAM Digest 1886
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1881
by kurt@fgallery.com
2) Re: Prog??? (fwd)
by kurt@fgallery.com
3) this week's #ytsequote
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
4) Re: Prog??? (fwd)
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
5) I like apples, I like oranges
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
6) Down question
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
7) new album (WWW generated email)
by James Abraham <omman@uit.net>
8) supporter
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
9) Finally, Superior.
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
10) calling Atlanta
by "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
11) get over it
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu
12) Re: Finally, Superior.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
13) Caught In A Web...
by rhsalsa <rhsalsa@mail.mcn.org>
14) debates/the great prog debate (this one's short)
by "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
15) Enough Already
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
16) JPM100 Art Picasso or....
by Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1883
by Mason Pokladnik <mason@dunn-463.dorms.tamu.edu>
18) Shameless self promotion.
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
19) Progression over the lifetime of a band, Degrees Kelvin, Doing it! (XXX)
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:17:20 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1881
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.29.12.17.20.2916992174.348590@bbs.fgallery.com>
Well./..i have heard kevin's material,and it is definately not
techno..techno (at least here in PR) is what people dance at
clubs...dance music, but really fast ones almost like rave but not quite
as violent..and kevins music is definately not like that..its hard to
define his music,even more when you havent heard it.. the industrial
part i understand.. but it is not solely industrial... first listen to
it ..then judge.. (not a flame)
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:21:18 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Prog??? (fwd)
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.29.12.21.18.2916992174.348591@bbs.fgallery.com>
COol definitions..but acording to the fisrt one..some dt songs would not
be prog.. hehe like erotomania.. which if im not mistaken is mostly on
4/4 also dt has some songs that are less than 7 min... i guess the guy
who wrote that went to an extreme..still it was fun to read..
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:26:18 -0700
From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: this week's #ytsequote
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960929192618.0067e180@mail.alliance.net>
Ahh, as I see the flame-o-meter rise, it just makes me think of a time when
the Ytsejam was a friendly mailing list... Oops! I was dreaming! Anyway,
here's this week's #ytsequote, enjoy!
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|"Misplaced childhoods often have supper ready." |
| -Kazin (Josh Nichols) |
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Hehehhehe, cheer up fellow Ytsejammers.
And with that, I'm outta here.
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| -=Jeremy Hyde=- |
| aka |
| -=Tempus=- |
|-=#ytsejam scribe=-|
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:32:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: kurt@fgallery.com
Subject: Re: Prog??? (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960929123121.22652A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> COol definitions..but acording to the fisrt one..some dt songs would not
> be prog.. hehe like erotomania.. which if im not mistaken is mostly on
> 4/4 also dt has some songs that are less than 7 min... i guess the guy
> who wrote that went to an extreme..still it was fun to read..
<flames on>
IT WAS A JOKE YOU MORON.
<flame off>
get the point? good.
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:33:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I like apples, I like oranges
Message-ID: <199609291633.MAA17491@beasley.cris.com>
>Frederico Mello Simoes Barbosa wrote:
>No, I haven't. But I tell you what : I DON'T LISTEN TO TECNO (ARGHHH....)
>TECNO MUSIC IS FOR PLAYBOYS.
>IF DREAM THEATER RELEASE A TECNO ALBUM, I WON'T BUY IT....
Wow, DT taking an adventure into techno. That would be most interesting. I'd
buy it in a heartbeat. Not that I +love+ techno, but I do *like* some of it.
And yes, to me, a lot of it is crap, but then again, I think a lot of
progressive is crap, a lot of classical is crap, a lot of jazz is crap,....
and so on. It's just a matter of sifting through and finding what you
prefer, regardless of the genre it's been labeled as belonging to.
And if anybody here feels daring, and might like to explore a bit of
user-friendly techno, here's a little list of my suggestions:
Meat Beat Manifesto: 99%; Satyricon;
Future Sound of London: Lifeforms (the 2 CD set, not the EP. But the EP is cool)
The Prodigy: Music for the Jilted Generation (lots of rock influence)
Opus III: Mind Fruit; Guru Mother
If anybody wants sound clips emailed to them, lemme know.
Keep an open mind......
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\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ******/
/********* University of Florida ********\
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:44:47 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Down question
Message-ID: <199609291639.LAA95668@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Greetings-
To the person who asked about Nola by Down (featuring phil anselmo
from pantera and One of the members of COC) I highly recommend it. It is
just as I imagined it, COC with Phil singing. Well, actually there is a
diversity of material on it, and I feel it's all good stuff. Lots of pot
refrences, but, hey, that's ok. If you get it let me know what you think!!!
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"A real work of art destroys, in the consciousness of the receiver,
the separation between himself and the artist."
-Leo Tolstoy
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Ryan Good - Madison Student Radio; Music Stapher
the Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster
Home - 608-258-1587
Pocket - 1-888-845-1150
"Madison Student Radio: It's coming!"
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:40:29 -0400
From: James Abraham <omman@uit.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new album (WWW generated email)
Message-ID: <199609291640.MAA05765@nermal.catt.ncsu.edu>
Okay, I've been off the list for
about 4 months now, and I
just subscribed back to it.
I'm really out of it in the way of what all is up with DTs new
album. Some one mind
emailing me the latest info?
I already saw the track list on
Lifting Shadows (great web
site Jeff!!) Thanx!
James
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:44:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: supporter
Message-ID: <199609291644.MAA20814@beasley.cris.com>
>From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
>
> Is this what's in your CD changer right now? Here's mine (a bit
>unorthodox for the list, but it's what I sleep to)
>
> 1. Yanni - Dare To Dream
I admire Chuck's bravery in presenting this selection as being in his CD
changer. I gotta say I'm on his team with respect to Yanni. "Dare To Dream"
is an outstanding work.
-Rick
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\***************** Richard S. Audet ********************/
/****************** ytse@cris.com ********************\
\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ******/
/********* University of Florida ********\
\****** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ******/
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:51:12 -0500
From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Finally, Superior.
Message-ID: <199609291646.LAA192557@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Thanks to Neil for setting me up with a little Superior. I'm still not
through it's entirety, but so far I'm getting into it. It's got the
European metal feel to it, which I dig, and it's nice and chunky, and the
instrumental work is very good too. Let me listen to it for a few more
times, and I'll get back to the jam.
Just keeping you all updated.
Hey, anyone know of any more new releases besides the ones I'm listing??
10/1 - Tool, Crash Test Dummies
10/15 - Phish
__________________________________________________
"A real work of art destroys, in the consciousness of the receiver,
the separation between himself and the artist."
-Leo Tolstoy
__________________________________________________
Ryan Good - Madison Student Radio; Music Stapher
the Official Madison Progressive Rock Monster
Home - 608-258-1587
Pocket - 1-888-845-1150
"Madison Student Radio: It's coming!"
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:46:23 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: calling Atlanta
Message-ID: <324EB5EF.4AA9@mo.net>
>If they ask you where you're calling from, as a check to see if you are >local, answer with "Marietta," "Stone Mountain," "Norcross" or other >suburbs (on any decent map).
Yeah, and should we use that Deliverance-type redneck southern accent,
too (just kidding. Some of my closer relatives are rednecks from
Arkansas - okay, stop the inbreeding jokes :). Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:53:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: get over it
Message-ID: <199609291653.JAA06047@pawn.ax.com>
My progressive music is better than yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grow up
Mike Washkevich
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Finally, Superior.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960929130928.27608A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Hey, anyone know of any more new releases besides the ones I'm listing??
>
> 10/1 - Tool, Crash Test Dummies
> 10/15 - Phish
10/1: Bad Brians, Michael Bolton, Anthony Bone, Boxing Ghandis, James
Brown, The Cakekitchen, Shawn Colvin, Ceash Test Dummies, Ellen
Degeneres, King Diamond, Dink, Ed's Redeeming Qualities, Final, For Real,
Fountainds Of Wayne, Girls Against Boys, The Gourds, Helloween, Jason and
the Scorchers, Jane Jensen, Ras Kass, Kenny G, Kid Sensation, Manowar,
Declan Masterson, Matchbox 20, Curtis Mayfield, Miles/Light/Haino, New
Radiant Storm King, Graham Parker, Leon Pakrer, Mike Peters, Pierce
Pettis, Madeline Peyroux, Phono-Comb, Pork, Pulsars, Pure, Rachels, Real
Live, Lisa Sanders, Seade, Shakuhachi Suprise, Silver Jews, Darden Smith,
Spent, Tactile, Tool, Rebecca Torquist, Luther Vandross, Warrent, Bill
Whelan, The Wishing Tree, Xzibit
10/15: Bad Company, Barrio Soul Inc., Black 47, Alfonso Blackwell, Boy's
Life, Brave Combo with Lauren Agnelli, T Bone Burnett, Bush Babees,
Chainsaw Kittens, Paula Cole, Phi Collins, Conejo Trike, C.O.C., Counting
Crows, Cutmaster DC, Da Brat, Guy Davis, Donovan, Future Sound of London,
Ghost Face Killa, Justin Hayward, Marti Jons, KoRn, The Lemonheads,
Midnight Oil, Monkees, Motorhead, Take 6, Ugly Kid Joe....among others.
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: rhsalsa <rhsalsa@mail.mcn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Caught In A Web...
Message-ID: <199609291724.KAA20061@mail.mcn.org>
Hey all...I normally don't post...I just sit in a corner and watch. :) But,
I had just recently got a bootleg called "Caught In A Web", and all it says
is Live USA '94...and I was wondering if anyone had any information on where
exactly in the USA it was recorded, or if it was from different shows. Any
info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks...
Shay
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:26:43 -0600
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: debates/the great prog debate (this one's short)
Message-ID: <324EBF63.3D90@mo.net>
>I'm debating over whether this is a good thing or not. :)
From what people have told me about mine, it is (my tactic is to try
and confuse people into frustration so they end up looking like idiots,
and I come out the winner - I actually learned that in my college debate
class - BSing is also a key tool, though it does help to know a little
about what you're talking about :).
>Well, I realy don't care about ALTERNATIVE.
>I HATE NIRVANA, and thinkg KURT COBAIN is an IDIOT.
>I'm glad he;s committed suicide, because now the world is
>a much better place to live.
Okay piss ant, that's it. That has got to be the most lame-assed post
by anyone yet (I even respect Mindcrimer's opinions more than this).
I'm not one to flame, but you have crossed the line here. Suicide
(yeah, going back to this one) is never a good thing. I don't care if
the given person is the biggest idiot in the world, this isn't something
to be glad about. You probably have no friggin' clue what's going on
here. I personally don't like Nirvana much, and think Cobain is/was
overrated, but I will never be glad anyone killed themself. I have lost
friends to suicide, and it was most definitely NOT a good thing. Heck,
I'd even think it'd suck if the dude from Oasis did the same. You must
just be begging for attention. I doubt you're really even that sincere
about your opinions. Shut up or get off this list. Enough said.
Dale R. Newberry
P.S. Let's forget about all these labels we're putting on music, and
just call it MUSIC for Pete's sake (well, except for country and rap,
just kidding :).
P.P.S. Rip (and anyone else considering Down), I don't have the album,
but have heard some of it (on the radio in Hannibal, MO, no less). Not
bad stuff, really. You'd probably dig it. More melodic than Pantera.
Phil actually sings. Very sabbath-influenced (from what little I've
heard and read).
P.P.P.S. (okay, this isn't a short post)
>LONG LIVE PEOPLE WITH SHORT HAIR!!!!!!
YEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!!!! When i first saw a picture of DS, I thought, "Hey!
He looks like me (w/o the facial hair).
P.P.P.P.S. The worst reason to love or hate something is because it's
trendy. I mean, I have tattoos, and NOT because it's trendy. I have a
gotee, and NOT because it's trendy. I'm on the 'net, and NOT because
it's trendy :). I like DT (duh), and NOT because they're not trendy.
And I loved that list of pre-requisites for prog bands. Hilarious
stuff. Sorry for going on so long.
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:52:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enough Already
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960929124404.310B-100000@comp.uark.edu>
Skadz said :
> 3. Do not start / participate in / complain about long off-topic
> discussions. These have gotten WAY out of hand in the past.
> If one starts, I will post once saying to stop and take it to
> private email, anyone continuing the discussion will
> recieve a warning. These include such topics as God, NIN, Blind
> Melon, bands selling out, etc.
Okay, after three Jams of nothing but Frederico being flamed for his
closed-minded opinions, can we stop already? I think it was pretty
self-explanatory that he is a bit close-minded and stubborn in his
opinions, so it's not necessary for _every_ single member of the Jam to
cut and paste his message and flame the hell outta him. This has
definitely progressed to a 'long, off-topic discussion'.
Now, just so that this post won't be entirely filled with useless drivel
about things that shouldn't even need to be said....
Tori Amos concert in Little Rock, AR on October 13th... if I recall
correctly, the Ytsecon is on the 12th. Well, seeing as how I'm mostly
broke it looks like Tori will be gaining my attendance. To all the
#ytsejam people, I'd really like to be able to make it the Con and meet
you all, but it just ain't gonna happen this time around. Next time you
think we could have a Con somewhere near the middle of the country instead
of up in one of the corners? :)
Lemur Voice: Definitely a cool album... it's definitely growing on me
more with each listen, but at this point I'd hesitate to compare it to
Superior's 'Behind' or say that it is the 'best album of the year', etc.
My impression on this band is that they sorta remind of Fates Warning, in
that the music is a bit subdued, and you have to listen a bit more closely
to it for it to reach out and kick your ass. Definitely a recommended
album, but just be warned that this isn't one of those albums that _every_
single prog-rock/metal fan is gonna love instantly.
DrX.
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| I am the way, I am the light... | Ed Reed |
| I am the dark inside the night. | ereed@comp.uark.edu |
| I hear your hopes, I feel your dreams... | ehr@engr.uark.edu |
| And in the dark I hear your screams. | drx@reich.uark.edu |
<=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->
| Don't walk away, just take my hand... | |
| And when you make your final stand... | Savatage -- |
| I'll be right there, I'll never leave... | 'Believe' |
| All I ask of you is Believe. | |
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:39:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JPM100 Art Picasso or....
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960929133643.27825A-100000@shamu>
Ive heard the art work called Picasso too from the guitar dude that sold
me mine hehe I prefer to call the the PBS people, from the Public
Brodcasting System hehehehehe take a look at it and tell me what you think.
Sinista
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:11:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mason Pokladnik <mason@dunn-463.dorms.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1883
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960929140649.1063B-100000@dunn-463.dorms.tamu.edu>
> *****
> I'm sick of seeing all these .wav files everyone has
> of prog bands (I ordered Superior without knowing what
> they sounded like--- I was pleasantly suprised though)
> Does anyone have .au files for us UNIX people? Can I
> download a program that plays .wav files?
> *****
what kind of U*IX derivative are you on. I know there are some VERY beta
wav players of Linux and definitly for NExT however I don't know about
Solaris or any of those
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-Mason Pokladnik mason@schwanda.dorms.tamu.edu-
-eia@tamu.edu http://schwanda.dorms.tamu.edu/~mason-
- the cost of living hasn't affected it's popularity -
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 15:16:58 -0400
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
To: "The Ytsefriggin'Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Shameless self promotion.
Message-ID: <324ECB2A.18A7@bu.edu>
Hey, guys! I just put up four brand spankin' new .wa v files of some
original shiznit on my music page and I'm lookin' for people to download 'em,
listen to 'em, tell me if ya like 'em, and tell me whether or not they work! :)
(I had some corrupted files or something last time around...)
They can be found at the following URL:
http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/music.html
Thank you for your support. :)
Wacky
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:45:52 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Progression over the lifetime of a band, Degrees Kelvin, Doing it! (XXX) Message-ID: <324ebcc1.3476258@mail.inforamp.net>
Good afternoon,
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:54:36 +0000 >From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@switzerland-c.it.earthlink.net>
>Rush is a >band that has been around for over 20 years. 20 years. that's a >*hell* of a long time to be around in the music business. bands that >don't evolve and change don't stick around for 20 years. everyone at >some point(s) changes and goes in a new direction with their music.
This is an excellent illustration that has very few contrasting examples. It's interesting to note, that the bands who haven't changed their sound slightly with the times are those who seem to have the most internal disharmony as well. The change in sound is as much for the band as the listener. How AC/DC can go on playing the same chord progressions for as long as they have, I'll never know. Rush is now at the point where they are making music for themselves. If the fans like it, wonderful! If not, they can afford to keep writing until they get something that will sell to a wide base. If that didn't work out, they could easily retire. From my own point of view, I'm much happier with what I've written over the last 8 years than with my stuff from my first 8 years of playing. Like Rush, my range of life experiences has filtered my creative flow and made the music more mature from an ideological sense. If you force a band to sound the same for over 20 years, you condemn them to an unhappy existence. That makes me wonder how the Stones manage to keep moving after 30 years. Of course, they could stop anytime now and I wouldn'y utter a word of protest. ;)
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:07:41 -0400 (EDT) >From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
>Last time I read the FAQ Kevin Moore *left* the band to pursue other >music. Kelvin Moore, on the other hand, is a guy in my fire department >who does *not* play keyboards, prog-style or otherwise.
Wait a minute! I thought Kelvin Moore was the guy who invented the temperature scale the astronauts use? Maybe Kevin really does have a Space Dye Vest!!!!! My God, it's full of stars! :)
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:18:22 -0500 (CDT) >From: NUPRIN <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
>Andrew, I'll send you a tape of me >doing it!!... :P
Um, I hope there are no young children reading this. ;)
> You go on with whatever you're gonna say back. >I'm gonna go and get laid.
Ohmigod! I was right!!! Right on! The first jammer to have a career in adult films!!! ;) You go boy! Let us know how silicone implants feel. ;)
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
p.s. - I'm back!
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