YTSEJAM Digest 1793
Today's Topics:
1) Autoreply Message
by svjohnson@amoco.com
2) The Letterman Thing
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
3) Acoustic Dreams for sale
by Stefan Sutter <ssutter@chroma.med.miami.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1792
by zeb@capital.net
5) Thoughts (Mike Bahr did it...so can I)
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
6) Letterman? Nah. An alternative? Of course!
by robert.henderson@ICDC.COM
7) the clock on the wall.....
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8) Re: Letterman? Nah. An alternative? Of course!
by skooc@earthlink.net
9) Re: International Fan Club Magazine
by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
10) IME (no DT content)
by Markus Stahl <stahl@primenet.com>
11) DT taking time between albuns
by "Marcelo Vanzin" <vanzin@infinity.com.br>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1792
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
13) recycled threads
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
14) Re: the clock on the wall.....
by skooc@earthlink.net
15) I'm back (whether you like it or not)
by Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
16) Re: DT taking time between albuns
by skooc@earthlink.net
17) Prognosis/WDADU revisted/miscellany
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
18) DT taking time between albuns
by kurt@fgallery.com
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1792
by kurt@fgallery.com
20) Re: DT taking time between albuns
by kurt@fgallery.com
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 96 12:53:23 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Autoreply Message
Message-ID: <199609021753.AA26036@interlock.amoco.com>
Item Subject: Auto Reply content.
I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th
and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent,
please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be
returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:40:21 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Letterman Thing
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960902184021.00685678@ici.net>
>David Letterman's show is a pop act, my friends. Have you ever
>noticed the bands on there all have little catchy singles? There's a
>reason for this@! David likes to stay in the norm, and Dream Theater,
>for however much we like them, isn't the norm.
I don't agree with this at all. Within seconds of reading this I came up
with these:
1) Megadeth
2) Motorhead
3) Nine Inch Nails
I saw all of these bands on Letterman at one point or another. Not exactly
"pop acts" with "catchy little singles" :) I know they don't have bands like
this on all the time, but occasionally they do.
> Let's look at it from David's side: what would _HE_ get out of it?
The eternal gratitude of the Ytsejammers. That should be motivation enough.
> Let's face it, not a whole lot of people know of Dream Theater. The
>crowd may not be a crowd that can accept a "Dream Theater" type of band.
See "Motorhead" above. I wouldn't consider Dave's audience to be a Motorhead
crowd either, but they had them on.
>The band itsself may not want this. Do they want to be in the spotlight
>like that and be in front of 10 million people? It's quite a lot for us
>to be saying to them "Yeah!@!# Go up and play!@" but it's a lot different
>when _YOU_ have to be the one doing it.
Okay, it's just an idea, but if you don't like the idea of performing in
front of large groups of people, perhaps "Famous Rock Musician" is not the
proper vocation for you. :)
> Also remember that the bands being played on Letterman are
>SUPPORTING something, usually an album. Dream Theater isn't supporting
>an album...yet. <a side note, i know, but an important one>
That's prpbably the best reason NOT to have them on there now. The album's
being delayed enough without us trying to create further diversions. Let 'em
record it, already! :)
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________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
Aliens: 3rd rock from Sol (the blue one)
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:12:09 -0400
From: Stefan Sutter <ssutter@chroma.med.miami.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Acoustic Dreams for sale
Message-ID: <322B2377.61D@chroma.med.miami.edu>
Hi everyone,
I'm selling my Dream Theater: "Acoustic Dreams" by good old Mike Bahr
(It's my second one, I'm not stupid enough to sell my first one!). The
first CD is in Europe where I live and I'll return soon. I don't need
the second CD and the first one who sends me an email will get it (sorry
to all the guys who subscribed to the digest, but I'm really in a
hurry). I don't want to make any money, so I'm just asking for the 25
bucks I paid to Mike ( + any postage if it's overseas). Please email me
at ssutter@chroma.med.miami.edu . And now hurry!
Stefan
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 96 14:59:29 -0400
From: zeb@capital.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1792
Message-ID: <199609021907.PAA13302@Omega.Capital.Net>
In <199609021745.KAA29567@iceland.it.earthlink.net>, on 09/02/96
at 10:54 AM, ytsejam@ax.com said:
>Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:29:29 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
>To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Re: DT on Letterman
>Message-ID:
><Pine.BSD.3.91.960902122329.13670H-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
>Alrighty, Kids. I think were getting a tad out of hand here.
> David Letterman's show is a pop act, my friends. Have you ever noticed
>the bands on there all have little catchy singles? There's a reason for
>this@! David likes to stay in the norm, and Dream Theater, for however
>much we like them, isn't the norm.
>
>Mike, aka Syrinx.
>(c) 1996 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
I can remember several bands that have been on Letterman that can't be
considered pop. The most startling was Motorhead back when he was on NBC.
I think it was his last year there but I could be wrong. This was by far
the most interesting musical guest I ever saw on Letterman. Dave had a
look of fear/shock/disbelief after they finished. It was great. I really
don't think he had any idea what Motorhead was all about. They really
"blew the roof off the dump" as Dave would say!
Zeb
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Zeb Swinney
Fort Ann, NY 12827
zeb@capital.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:30:43 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Thoughts (Mike Bahr did it...so can I)
Message-ID: <199609021930.MAA12013@m5.sprynet.com>
Hey wait a minute...I don't think. Sorry.
(very not bad, Mr. Bahr. :)
Ben Laussade
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:50:16 -0500
From: robert.henderson@ICDC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Letterman? Nah. An alternative? Of course!
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.15.50.16.2510543059.158684@bbs.icdc.com>
> David Letterman's show is a pop act, my friends. Have you ever
>noticed the bands on there all have little catchy singles? There's a
>reason for this@! David likes to stay in the norm, and Dream Theater,
>for however much we like them, isn't the norm.
You're absolutely correct. Ever since he's moved to the earlier time
slot and to CBS, Letterman's gone downhill fast, especially where
musical acts are/were concerned (Ow! Stop with the punching quit!).
Might I suggest Late Night with Conan O'Brien? He usually has much
lesser known bands on the show. In fact, the music director (I read
this in TV guide, for what it's worth) prides himself in picking this
type of band. He [the music director] considers himself
semi-responsible for sending the careers several "bands" (Green Day,
Alanis, Jewel) skyrocketing... Uh, forget that last sentence... Of
course the closest to metal (if that's what you consider Dream Theater)
that *I've* seen on the show would have to be Brother Kain. King
Crimson supposedly played on it (I wish I'd seen that one!) on the
"THRAK" tour, according to the "THRaKaTTaK" liner notes. I suppose
no-one out there would have a tape of that...?
> Also remember that the bands being played on Letterman are
>SUPPORTING something, usually an album. Dream Theater isn't supporting
>an album...yet. <a side note, i know, but an important one>
This is also true, true of every talk show, though. It's all about
merchandising. Even the artists on these shows who don't have an album
out, are doing the show for some sort of cause, be it a book, a charity
event, or whatnot. It's a fact of 20th century life. At least LNwCOB
is a relatively *less* commercial.
Since I don't post too often, I reckon I'll use this opportunity to ask
a little question. I recently went to see Tull/ELP (or is it ELP/Tull?)
tour, and I was wondering about something. Are they usually that
"heavy" in concert (for you oldies, who've perhaps been to earlier
tours)? The sound, at one point in Tull's act, was strikingly like
Dream Theater's! So similar, in fact, that I actually commented
(yelled) about it to the kid next to me. The keyboardist even had a
synth-sound very similar to that in "Bombay Vindaloo"! Anyway, I highly
recommend (for what its worth) this tour to those that still have the
opportunity (maybe you can prove me right about the DT-ishness? ah,
prob'bly not).
"It's not one of those battery-operated pencil sharpeners. *Those* take
a life-long commitment." -- Andy Richter
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 15:24:04 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: the clock on the wall.....
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960902202404.006a4798@mail.inlink.com>
>BTW Rip, your messages are first in my box, and yeah, it was clever
>setting the date to 1985, especially since you were what, 3 YEARS OLD
>THEN (just teasing, don't squish my head in a trash compactor, 'k? :).
hm... sept. 85... yup i would've been almost 4 :) holy shit, its sept!
my birthdays like next month... ever notice how when youre like 6 years old
you're ready and counting down the days til your birthday like 4 months in
advance... yet the older you get the more the day just sneaks up on you :)
btw, as u all can see i've set the date back up, got the latest version of
nutscrape downloaded ;) wont need to be changing the date around anymore
until... oh... jan 1 1997, when mail alert expires :)
dont you love beta programs to cheap to have their own built in clock? :)
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Letterman? Nah. An alternative? Of course!
Message-ID: <199609022021.NAA24029@norway.it.earthlink.net>
>You're absolutely correct. Ever since he's moved to the earlier time
>slot and to CBS, Letterman's gone downhill fast, especially where
>musical acts are/were concerned (Ow! Stop with the punching quit!).
Maybe it's my age, but I don't exactly recall the Sex Pistols as being a pop
act :)
>Might I suggest Late Night with Conan O'Brien? He usually has much
>lesser known bands on the show. In fact, the music director (I read
>this in TV guide, for what it's worth) prides himself in picking this
>type of band.
I agree, Conan is becoming the place for yet to be discovered bands
(mainstream-wise). His show is gotten MUCH better too. I actulaay look
forward to watching his show now, something I would have never saaid six
months ago. Remember, Conan DID have King Crimson on his show a few months back.
Grinder
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"Wherever you go, there you are." - Mike Brady
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Date: 02 Sep 96 16:28:03 EDT
From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: International Fan Club Magazine
Message-ID: <960902202803_101352.3261_JHP97-1@CompuServe.COM>
The latest issue of the International Fan Club Magazine 'Images & Words' is
currently being printed, and should hopefully be out to members of the Fan Club
within the next 2-3 weeks or so.
This issue has recent exclusive interviews with James and Mike (with some very
interesting details), along with a prize competition, your letters, a Q&A
section etc. So keep a look out for it!
Those of you who are not signed up and are interested in joining us, drop me a
line and I'll e-mail you the details.
Cheers,
Neil Elliott
Director - DTIFC
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"I think we have an album title!" - MP July '96 |
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Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 13:29:21 -0700
From: Markus Stahl <stahl@primenet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IME (no DT content)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960902202921.0067d0e0@primenet.com>
I have read a few comments on the new I Mother Earth album and wanted to
tell all of you to... run out to your local record store and buy this cd.
It totally kicks serious ass. It's definately not as repetitive as Dig as
songs go. They do a couple 7 minute songs and most of all the rest are over
5 min. The album is "Scenery and Fish" go out and buy it.
On the Second track, I think it's "Like a girl" there is a second singing
that sounds mysteriously like Billy Corrigan from Smashing
Pumpkins....anybody out that can confirm this or am i just hearing things....
-mark
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:44:18 -0300
From: "Marcelo Vanzin" <vanzin@infinity.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT taking time between albuns
Message-ID: <199609022052.NAA24375@mindcrime.ax.com>
T>"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
YT>"I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt)
[
I agreee totally...Metallica couldve written that album in 6 mth
tops..i mean 5 years to write mediocre songs..when they only took maybe
2 (dunno wexactly) to write AND justice..wich is awesome.
And what about "Ride the Lightning"? t's only one year between it and Kill'em All and it's pretty damn cool.
--
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
mailto:vanzin@geocities.com
mailto:vanzin@infinity.com.br
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:39:01 -0400
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1792
Message-ID: <199609022139.RAA18788@zork.tiac.net>
>It is a jazz fusion school.. i mean i have the brochure and thats
>basically it also they teach gospel and studio engineerin stuff (this im
>not sure) its basically jazz..thats why during the awake tour dt's jams
>were mostly jazz based.. cuz now with derek all the musical piece of the
>band is from berklee..
>
That's ridiculous. One of the Awake jams had a sort of jazz flavor (at the
end of TTT), but saying that it's because they went to Berklee and Berklee
is supposedly a "jazz" school doesn't mean anything. Besides, except for
Derek I'm pretty sure the band was only there for a year.
Berklee isn't a jazz school anyways. They have everything there. For
guitarists especially their "rock" department is really top notch, with
instructors such as Jon Finn and Joe Stump.
Adam Cook acook@tiac.bet visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard
hat construction area!)
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:43:19 -0400
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: recycled threads
Message-ID: <199609022143.RAA26546@zork.tiac.net>
Not to offend any of my fellow jammers or anything, but has anybody
noticed that while we wait for a new album, the same threads get recycled
every few months or so? First it was the tribute....now it's Letterman...the
list goes on and on :)
Adam Cook acook@tiac.bet visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard
hat construction area!)
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the clock on the wall.....
Message-ID: <199609022142.OAA12776@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
Rip Wrote:
>hm... sept. 85... yup i would've been almost 4 :) holy shit, its sept!
>my birthdays like next month... ever notice how when youre like 6 years old
>you're ready and counting down the days til your birthday like 4 months in
>advance... yet the older you get the more the day just sneaks up on you :)
Yep, when you hit 15 it's all downhill from there ;)
I hope I'm as wise as you when I get old.
Scott
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:47:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I'm back (whether you like it or not)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609021709.B120823-0100000@ACS.BU.EDU>
While I've posted on this list before, most of it's members
probably don't know who I am. I just arrived at college, so I have a new
e-mail address.
I'm in Boston, if anyone wants to know. You might see me
at the Guitar Center on Commonwealth Avenue (a few doors down from where
I live).
I'm planning on seeing Rush here in November (if anyone wants to
know that). Are they booked at the Fleet Center?
Jeff Falk
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 14:52:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT taking time between albuns
Message-ID: <199609022152.OAA13318@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
At 01:57 PM 9/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
[
>I agreee totally...Metallica couldve written that album in 6 mth
>tops..i mean 5 years to write mediocre songs..when they only took maybe
>2 (dunno wexactly) to write AND justice..wich is awesome.
>
The reason for the long wait was because the Mighty Met were in the middle
of a legal battle with Elektra over the rights of their music. Elektra
currently had the rights to the music, which meant they could release
compilation dics and such, without Metallica's consent. Metallica doesn't
want compilations being done, so they were fighting over who gets control
over their music; and if any new Material was written over that time,
Elektra might've ended up with control over those too. Since the dispute has
been settled, Metallica went ahead and started writing the album in Winter
94/95. It still took 18 months to make the LP, but they actually recorded
two albums, with the second one (featuring Devil Dance) being released
around Thanksgiving 97.
As far as being mediocre; I'ts 1,000,000 better than that piece of shit
album they released in 1991. If you don't like the new album, then you don't
understand what it is to write and record REAL music and not just commercial
crap.
Grinder
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 96 15:10:22 -0000
From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Prognosis/WDADU revisted/miscellany
Message-ID: <199609022209.PAA25684@mindcrime.ax.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #1789:
>I got my web page up at my domain. It's nothing special right now,
>because I haven't had time to do much work on it, but I'm glad I did
>get something up. You can see it at:
> www.prognosis.com
Maybe everything will be fine, but I wanted to give you some fair
warning. A couple years ago, someone started up a prog magazine called
Prognosis. (I feel even worse about this because this party was a friend
of mine, at least that's what I thought.) I was really jazzed about it
and was even telling other people all about it, helping with the PR
thing. Needless to say, a lot of people sent in money for subs...and
never got anything. Not only that, he wasn't even communicating with the
other people helping out out with it. It was bad enough that a business
deal went bad, but he flaked on those of us who considered ourselves his
friends. :( So, the name Prognosis leaves a bitter taste in the mouth of
some...
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:16:22 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT taking time between albuns
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.-14.16.22.2916992174.337048@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>T>"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
YT>YT>"I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (
YT> [
YT>I agreee totally...Metallica couldve written that album in 6 mth
YT>tops..i mean 5 years to write mediocre songs..when they only took maybe
YT>2 (dunno wexactly) to write AND justice..wich is awesome.
YT> And what about "Ride the Lightning"? t's only one year between it and Kill'
YT>--
YT> []'s
YT> Marcelo Vanzin
YT> mailto:vanzin@geocities.com
YT> mailto:vanzin@infinity.com.br
YT> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
totally correct my friend.. also between ride and master..theres little
time..
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:18:16 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1792
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.-14.18.16.2916992174.337052@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>>It is a jazz fusion school.. i mean i have the brochure and thats
YT>>basically it also they teach gospel and studio engineerin stuff (this im
YT>>not sure) its basically jazz..thats why during the awake tour dt's jams
YT>>were mostly jazz based.. cuz now with derek all the musical piece of the
YT>>band is from berklee..
YT>>
YT>That's ridiculous. One of the Awake jams had a sort of jazz flavor (at the
YT>end of TTT), but saying that it's because they went to Berklee and Berklee
YT>is supposedly a "jazz" school doesn't mean anything. Besides, except for
YT>Derek I'm pretty sure the band was only there for a year.
YT>Berklee isn't a jazz school anyways. They have everything there. For
YT>guitarists especially their "rock" department is really top notch, with
YT>instructors such as Jon Finn and Joe Stump.
YT>Adam Cook acook@tiac.bet visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard
YT>hat construction area!)
Yes but behind all those great rock guitar teachers lies a background of
jazz training.. my best friend is currently attending berklee and last
year he took a class by john finn and believe me ..he has a big jazz
influcence
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:21:38 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT taking time between albuns
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.2.-14.21.38.2916992174.337055@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>At 01:57 PM 9/2/96 -0700, you wrote:
YT> [
YT>>I agreee totally...Metallica couldve written that album in 6 mth
YT>>tops..i mean 5 years to write mediocre songs..when they only took maybe
YT>>2 (dunno wexactly) to write AND justice..wich is awesome.
YT>>
YT>The reason for the long wait was because the Mighty Met were in the middle
YT>of a legal battle with Elektra over the rights of their music. Elektra
YT>currently had the rights to the music, which meant they could release
YT>compilation dics and such, without Metallica's consent. Metallica doesn't
YT>want compilations being done, so they were fighting over who gets control
YT>over their music; and if any new Material was written over that time,
YT>Elektra might've ended up with control over those too. Since the dispute has
YT>been settled, Metallica went ahead and started writing the album in Winter
YT>94/95. It still took 18 months to make the LP, but they actually recorded
YT>two albums, with the second one (featuring Devil Dance) being released
YT>around Thanksgiving 97.
YT>As far as being mediocre; I'ts 1,000,000 better than that piece of sh*t
YT>album they released in 1991. If you don't like the new album, then you don't
YT>understand what it is to write and record REAL music and not just commercial
YT>cr*p.
YT>Grinder
hahahahhhhaha no way.. the black album is BY FAR better musically and
lyrically... i mean .. until it sleeps.. aint my b*tch come on those
songs scream alternative out loud..simple aproach to music..i mean
Metallica has stripped down their music way too much..also look at the
big c*ap they do that they have an album ready for next year!
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