YTSEJAM digest 1791

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Date: Mon Sep 02 1996 - 05:21:04 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Mike Bahr's THOUGHTS, 2/3
     by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
      2) Mike Bahr's THOUGHTS, 3/3
     by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
      3)
     by
      4) Autoreply Message
     by svjohnson@amoco.com
      5) Shadow Gallery first album
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      6) DT taking time between albums
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
      7) Altura
     by part@dutccia.tudelft.nl (Gerralt Partiman)
      8) DT on Letterman
     by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
      9) Spock's Beard
     by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
     10) Nice to be back again, but......
     by te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
     11) Nice to be back again, but......
     by te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)

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    Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 04:49:46 -0700 (MST)
    From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Mike Bahr's THOUGHTS, 2/3
    Message-ID: <199609011149.EAA04753@goodguy.goodnet.com>

    THOUGHTS
    part 2 of several
    by Mikey Bahr

            OK, still with me? Awesome!! Now it's time to get to the meat of
    the matter.

            We have a problem. Or I should say, we all have problems. The main
    problem, at the root of all this, is that we are all trying to live our
    lives true to our own visions, solid in our own integrity, genuine to our
    own honour, loyal to our friends, and steadfast in our beliefs. And while
    we're trying to do this, the entire world is tearing that away. Every
    single interaction a person has during a day can either strengthen or
    weaken their resolve, and 9 out of 10 are attempting to weaken it. Therein
    lies the fundamental problem:
            
            Our lives are blowing past us, and we're missing out.

            As Mike Portnoy wrote in ACOS "Seize the day, and don't you cry.
    Now it's time to say goodbye. Even though I'll be gone, I will live on."
    ACOS is easily Dream Theater's finest hour, and I am convinced more of
    that every time I listen through the catalogue. To write something that
    can have a profound insight on life itself is a rare gift. I've attempted
    it many years without success, and Mike Portnoy succeeded with ACOS.

            Let's look at the here and now, the very most superficial level of
    our own community: the Ytsejam list, and by extension, the internet.

            Are we united? Fuck yes. Anyone remember Jeremy Haynes? Yes, I
    thought you did. Like any microcosm of society, we look after our own.
    When we meet people wearing DT shirts, we talk to them... often we find a
    friend. When we are threatened, even in the most unsubstantial way (such
    as by Mindcrimer) we unite to quash this common threat. As a microcosm of
    society, our lives, on a certain level, all become linked. Our spirit
    becomes linked, to borrow from Magic: the Gathering terminology. We each
    have a vested interest in certain common things and the general health and
    prosperity of each other and of those "precious things".

            Most basically, as a subsociety, we do not want to see our "way of
    life" go away. We do not want to be forgotten. In those poetic words, "We
    will not go gently into that goodnight." And there are too many folks that
    would just as soon we DID.

            How many of you have dealt with someone that wouldn't respect a
    commitment or an obligation? How many of you have seen the true colors of
    someone you thought was a "friend", until trouble came up? I'd say we've
    all been in those positions, and even in some instances were the cause of
    the problem. It is in those fleeting interactions that a little of our
    resolve withers away. It is when we allow our own integrity to be
    compromised that we cease to live, at least in some aspect. One star in
    our own personal night sky twinkles its last. And it's because the world
    itself is driven by greed and hate (and it's naive of us to think it
    isn't) that we must band together that much more tightly.

            Moving beyond the net into our personal lives, this interaction is
    more profound. How many of you had reservations about ordering that first
    Mike Bahr disc? If it was "Subconscious", you had NO REASSURANCE that it
    was going to be worth it. The only things I had done to that point were
    the Neil Peart Solo Montage and Rush Video Compilation. And yet it worked
    out, didn't it? My commitment was met well and true. Good thing, too. If I
    had been a "Jeremy Haynes", you'd have all lynched me. Rightfully so. But
    never ONCE during all that uncertain time, was I ever directly spat upon;
    directly accused of being a scam; directly addressed as a ripoff artist, a
    person with NO integrity, basically a rapist with a different sexual
    preference (money). That all changed this year.

            With the release of Critical Mass, I was smacked in the face with
    a wall of paranoia the likes of which I'd never known. It was at that time
    that I realized how tightly-knit a group we truly are. I mean, think about
    it. You log off and go about your day, and you could live without the Jam,
    right? Of course. But it does affect you, on a deeper and deeper level
    each time. And every time the Jammers gather, there is an epiphany (sp?)
    of that effect. It becomes stronger, magnified manifold. And as I looked
    that wall of paranoia in the face and wondered why it bothered me, it hit
    me.

            It was because of all of you.

            In my project undertakings, suspicions amongst my new customers
    should have been old hat to me. They should have been par for the course.
    They should have rolled right off my back. But they didn't, because... YOU
    TRUSTED ME. On a very fundamental level, we all established the link of
    integrity. On a very specific level, we all became loyal to the causes of
    each other. I never once met with suspicion here because I was a _part_ of
    this subsociety, a ta'veren thread in the web that is woven by the Wheel
    of Time, to borrow some imagery from Jordan. You all knew who I was. You
    knew what I did. Newbies were brought up to speed on it, and were newbies
    no longer. To have met suspicion here would have been the sort of jarring
    shock to me that one feels when a family member murders another. It simply
    didn't happen. So in a way, all of you established that loyalty, that
    tightness, and through it we were all able to live that much better, that
    much stronger.

            Look at your own life now. Think about the four or five people you
    interact with the most. If you can say you're "generally happy" with your
    life, then those four or five people have earned your trust and will back
    you up through thick and thin. They are _worth_ your efforts to keep;
    worth your time to nurture the relationship, as it were. They are the one
    of ten people who do NOT try to tear away at your resolve.

            To those Jammers who are perhaps a little new to this, don't
    worry. It may not make a lot of sense now, but save this post. Believe me,
    you're a part of it. You're welcomed to all this, to be sure, but this
    band, and the people that follow it, can definitively shape your own life,
    if you let them in. And I think it's a shaping for the better. Many may
    agree. In a year, when I post "thoughts" again, if my words are worthy of
    the events that did transpire, they should really hit home.

            So I followed that paranoia thread, and realized that in subtle
    ways, my relationship to the other followers of DT, the fans we
    affectionately refer to as "Us Jammers", has really affected my life. And
    definitely for the better. And I am not alone in this. I'm marrying
    Melissa, as you all know from Thoughts part 1. Both of us are hardcore
    Jammers (she reads with me). It was when I introduced her to the depth of
    the music in Awake and then ACOS that she left behind her pop idol discs,
    took a serious listen to mine, and then our love grew and developed. I
    currently spend the amount of time I would on a full-time job, developing
    and creating masters and doing shipping for compact discs, all thanks to
    the Jammers. In the first 20 years of my _life_, I traveled by air to
    distant places TWICE. As of October, I'll have done it twice as many times
    in the last 2 years, all because of... well.. the Jam. I have been able to
    persist as bassist with Scoobaca because of the time permitted by my
    work... which happened because of, you guessed it, all of you. It goes on
    and on, each bone connected to the bone before it. And that's not all.

            The problem is before us: we strive to maintain our own principle
    in the face of everyone and everything that would try to tear it down or
    apart. And since the solution and the unity that focuses our lives can be
    found in our music, the methods by which we solve our problems and
    maintain our integrity can be similarly found. Which is the subject matter
    upon which I'll open Thoughts 3.

            TO BE CONTINUED.

    - Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - NOTE THE EMAIL CHANGE

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    Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 04:50:09 -0700 (MST)
    From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Mike Bahr's THOUGHTS, 3/3
    Message-ID: <199609011150.EAA04772@goodguy.goodnet.com>

    THOUGHTS
    part 3 of... well, 3 I guess.
    by Mikey Bahr

            Whoa. Well, was part 2 heavy or what? I told you all it would be
    serious; don't say you weren't warned. OK, let's take a look at what's
    happened so far. I hope I didn't just freak you out and make you skip all
    the rest in shock and fear.

    * I have, I hope, demonstrated the existence and solidity of the
    subsociety that is the fans of DT, the fans who have their own purpose.
    * I have demonstrated that the things we do OUTSIDE of this can be shaped
    and influenced by the things we've done INSIDE this subsociety.
    * Now, the idea is for me to finish the train of thought; to present the
    appropriate information, to close the circle. Let's see if I can do this
    right or not.

            The fact is, our own time is running out. Seize the day, indeed.
    And with each other we ARE seizing this day. We're turning it into
    something greater than it could have been. And it's only when a person
    looks back at what HAS happened that one realizes just what has taken
    place.
            I want you now to take a few minutes to look at the past year of
    your life. For a moment, push out the negatives; they aren't important. I
    want you to think about what you'd tell yourself if you traveled back in
    time ONE YEAR. What would you have not yet done? If you're like me, you
    can think of a lot, not the least of which is that you'd hand yourself a
    copy of the new Rush album so you can have enjoyed it all this time up
    until now. :) Truly, now that we have the virtual connection on the Jam
    that lets us all interact virtually in real time, even though we are
    scattered across the planet, the pace of life is quickening. There isn't
    enough time anymore to do the things we needed to do, and looking at the
    things we DID do, we seem to come up with an enormous list!!

            How do we cope with this? How can we, with our own steadfast
    resolve, resist both the pressures of the current world that attempt to
    wear us down, AND resist the persistence of time that takes away our
    opportunities to resist as constantly as a grinding millstone? I think the
    best way to live life is to REALIZE that you're living it!!

            I'm gonna repeat that because it seems... vaguely important. :)
    The best way to live life is to REALIZE that you're living it.

            Every single day from now on in, I want you all to look at the sky
    when you go outside (for whatever reason you do... school, work, etc).
    Look at the surrounding terrain. Watch, listen. See what people do. This
    is not to say you shouldn't do what you need to... but the very doing of
    your daily routine is enhanced, magnified, frozen in time by the essence
    of the experience when you step back in your mind's eye and take a
    photograph. Our time is not very long on this Earth in this realm, and
    every single nuance of it can be beauty if we take it that way. And this
    means we must continue with our dedication to music!!

            Indeed, we can go through life experiencing it to its fullest just
    by acknowledging that the experience is taking place, and those that have
    expressed this best are the bards, the lyricists, the chroniclers of tale
    and emotion. Yes, the musicians.

            I've already stated that ACOS is IMHO, DT's finest moment. Now,
    for your perusal below, I present the Five Essential Non-DT Songs. Five
    essential for WHAT, you may ask? Essential because they simply ARE.
    Essential because they have done the best job so far of capturing as much
    of life's crystalline essence in a sphere of thought, and presenting it to
    us in a form we can, if we're lucky, understand.

    5. Steve Vai "For The Love Of God" - from "Passion And Warfare"
            Number five is the instrumental, because this is about as high as
    a song NOT supported by lyrics can be. This is simply the best (rock)
    instrumental ever written. There is so much emotion, experience,
    sincerity, and anxiety contained within the twists and turns of the song,
    that listening even to a masterpiece like YYZ seems trivial and narrow.

    ------------------------------

    4. Van Halen "Dreams" - from "5150"
            This is the closest to "pop" that you'll ever hear me get where it
    concerns a song of this significance. This song is the embodiment of the
    hope we all harbour, and our own chances we take at glory.
            "Reach for the sky... baby just spread your wings...
             We'll get higher and higher, straight up we'll climb
             We'll get higher and higher, leave it all behind"
            Though one can take this as a metaphor for the ascent into heaven,
    it's better seen at much closer to face value: here in our own life, we
    can only reach our full potential by rising above the pettiness and
    bullshit the world throws at itself every day, and staying true to
    ourselves. Of course, the simplest explanation is usually the truth.
            "So baby dry your eyes, save all the tears you've cried,
             Oh that's what dreams are made of...
             We belong in a world that must be strong
             Oh that's what dreams are made of...
             And in the end, on dreams we will depend
             Cause that's what love is made of..."
            Read those words carefully. They're talking about US! The Jammers!
    They didn't mean it at the time it was written, of course, but look at how
    unbelievably clear the message is. We must rise when we're beaten down. We
    must support each other through whatever happens. And it can only happen
    if we believe we can make it so.

    3. King's X "Life Going By" - from "Ear Candy"

            This is the most recent masterpiece to be written, IMHO. Almost
    every single lyric in this song raises the same imagery as I've been
    trying to convey throughout "thoughts", and that I've seen throughout my
    life, and I'll bet I'm not alone. Besides being beautifully performed,
    this song is profound and deep, and well worth the rating. I'm going to
    list out most of the lyrics here, because I know not all of you will have
    the album. It's WORTH GETTING. KX is especially qualified to write a song
    like this because of their own person journey and how rough it's been.

            I've seen a wind-torn sky.
            And I've felt the river cry.
            And I've seen the old ones have their say.

            I've known the constitution.
            And I've seen the revolution.
            And I've seen the birds all fly away.

            I've climbed in the back and I've hung from the rack
            And I've died more than once on the way
            And I've sat there in awe and I've seen myself fall
            And I've felt the full light of the day...

            Oh..... my life going by...

            I've read confusing fiction.
            And lived a contradiction.
            And I've wondered where on earth I've been.
            
            I've known a love forever.
            A truth I couldn't sever.
            A chord that flows as free as the wind.

            I've stood on the mountain and drank from the fountain
            And poured it all out on the floor...
            Turned my back to the glory and walked the tenth story
            And come back to knock on your door...

            Oh, my life going by... my life going on... my life going by.

            Simply incredible. I cannot accept that this sort of insight will
    be lost to the sands of time. King's X have touched the essence of life in
    this, and it cannot be forgotten.

    2. Tori Amos "Yes Anastasia" - from "Under The Pink"

            Yep, you knew she'd make an appearance here, didn't you. And
    indeed she has. This is Tori's magnum opus, and so it is that it has its
    own impact on the life of the listener.

            This song is one of the few that can have a physical effect on a
    listener. I don't know of another song that's made my blood pound in my
    veins and beads of sweat break out on my forehead because of the pure
    intensity of the performance. Naturally, you'll need to listen to it alone
    and without distractions. I recommend doing it in your vehicle while
    driving at night down sparsely-traveled roads.

            Tori weaves a story, a drama, an EXPERIENCE so alive with this
    song that I scarce believe I'm not actively living it when I listen. She
    draws us in slowly, with outer details, almost like the narration in a war
    movie when they tell us how the war had gone on up to that point and then
    bring us into the middle of the action. She manages to paint this picture
    so subtly that you don't even realize it's being painted until it's
    DONE... such is the mastery of lyrics in this song.

            "Show me the things I've been missing...
             Show me the ways I've forgot to be speaking...
             Show me the way to get back to the garden...

             Show me the ways to get around the get-around
             Show me the ways to button up the buttons
             That have forgotten they're buttons.
             [this is metaphor here, think on it a moment.]
            
             Girls... girls...what have we done??
             What have we done to ourselves??"

            Tori follows up this somber yet dreamy section with a piano
    section that builds and builds and makes the soul reach right for the sky
    in an explosion of experience... before returning to the pensive, careful,
    exquisite arrangement of the pieces yet again...

            "thought I'd been through this in 1919...
             Counting the tears of ten thousand men
             and gathered them all, but my feet are slipping...
             There's something we left on the windowsill,
             something we left... yes...."

            Another piano section builds up as the dramatic tension is
    unleashed full force...

            "We'll see how brave you are...
             We'll see how fast you'll be running...
             We'll see how brave you are...
             Yes, Anastasia."

            And it's suddenly subdued completely. Blam. Just like that.
    There's a release of tension, an audible exhale. And just as steadily, the
    piano builds us back up to the moment of pensive arrangement...

            "Thought she deserved no less than she'd give
             Well, happy birthday, her blood's on my hand
             Kind of a shame cause I did like that dress.
             It's funny the things that you find in the rain
             The things that you find yea...

            To another release of joy, of tension, a flood of images playing
    across the mindscape in a flurry of experience:
            
            "In the mall and in the date mines,
             In the knot still in her hair
             On the bus I'm on my way down, all the girls seem to be there..."

            The experience is metaphorical, to be sure, but the descent into
    terror continues...

            "We'll see how brave you are...."

            This chorus is repeated, except this time it's on a spiral of
    negative emotion, crescendoing line by line until Tori belts out about the
    most powerful, emotive note I've ever heard. You'll know it when you hear
    it. There's no way someone like her with her high-octave voice should be
    able to unleash that sort of performance, but she does. And at the end of
    the note, your own mind begins to race through her words as she goes. And
    then... it's over. The life is done, the time is gone. And the soul is
    gently beckoned to its rest at the end. "Come along now, little darling...
    come along now with me... we'll see how brave you [were]..."

            This song is an experience all its own, but it must happen to you
    personally in your own way. I heard it no less than twenty times before it
    finally hit like it was intended to. Amazing.

    1. Rush "Time Stand Still" - from "Hold Your Fire"

            Wow. I'm actually runing out of room here... 4k more and this
    sucker won't even post. Not like I need it. This entire song is a
    masterpiece, every verse integral, but it's all summed up right at the
    end, in what I feel is the most important verse you'll ever hear.

            "Summer's going fast, nights growing colder...
             Children growing up, old friend growing older.
             Freeze this moment a little bit longer;
             Make each sensation a little bit stronger.
             Experience slips away
             Experience slips away
             The innocence slips away...

             Thank you all for reading.

    - Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - NOTE THE EMAIL CHANGE

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    Date: Mon, 2 Sep 96 02:42:40 -0500
    From: svjohnson@amoco.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Autoreply Message
    Message-ID: <199609020742.AA16540@interlock.amoco.com>

    I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th =

    and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent, =

    please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be =

    returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.

    Steve

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    Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:47:24 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Shadow Gallery first album
    Message-ID: <v03007800ae5040abeb9b@[128.178.99.94]>

    >Hello,
    > I was just wondering, how many of you have had the chance to hear
    >Shadow Gallery's 1st album? (It's self titled). I just got it about a
    >week ago (after ordering it 4 and a half months ago and shelling out
    >$32.00!), and I've got just one thing to say: I would have paid twice
    >twice that!:)
    > These guys are truly incredible. I saw on their web page that a
    >tour was planned for next year, does anyone have any info on this? (Hey
    >maybe they'll be with DT! Wouldn't that be nice?)

    I listened to SG. IMO, it's to Carved what WDADU was to IAW: a shot at it.
    Except that WDADU is ok and SG isn't worth it, because again, SG is no
    match to DT.

    Cheers,

    ........................................................................
    D A V E K I N G
    vox & bass MT-20

    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
    "I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt)

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    Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:55:38 +0200
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT taking time between albums
    Message-ID: <v03007801ae50423e4a6e@[128.178.99.94]>

    >> I think that bands like DT should not take this long between albums.
    >> People forget about them and then their popularity diminishes. They
    >> haven't toured for quite awhile, no new album for quite awhile either. If
    >> it wasn't for this list, how many of us would still wonder about DT on a
    >> daily basis?

    I think DT was planning to be produced by Kevin Gilbert, no? He passed
    away, so that pretty much delyed things for most probably around 6 months.
    And at least DT doesn't makes us wait 5 years to produce shit like
    Metallica. So we should consider ourselves :-)) happy. Finally, DT fans are
    real faithful (for the moment) as long as DT remains so and doesn't sell
    out.

    The jam is here to attest.

    ........................................................................
    D A V E K I N G
    vox & bass MT-20

    "holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
    "I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid" (dt)

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    Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:22:24 +0200
    From: part@dutccia.tudelft.nl (Gerralt Partiman)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Altura
    Message-ID: <9608310822.AA01107@dutccia.tudelft.nl>

    Anyone check out that new Altura CD ('Mercy') on the Magna Carta label (Pete Morticelly rules!!!).
    Don't know much about this band but they make a damn' good piece of music.
    The line up is like DT's, which means 1 drummer, 1 bassist, 1 guitarist, 1 singer and 1 keyboardplayer.
    Support progressive music and listen to/buy the CD in a record shop near you.

    Heard of Moonspell? Portugese gothic/black/metal band. Some awesome compositions on their latest album "Irreligious". They have a homepage of which I don't know the URL, but Infoseek might find it for you.

    See ya!

    ###############################
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    # Gerralt Partiman #
    # part@dutccia.tudelft.nl #
    # #
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    Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 03:27:45 -0600
    From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT on Letterman
    Message-ID: <322AA891.36F3@mo.net>

    Hey, I just remembered, Letterman's had Megadeth on something like
    three times, so why couldn't DT do it?

                                            Dale R. Newberry

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    Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 03:40:23 -0600
    From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Spock's Beard
    Message-ID: <322AAB87.4729@mo.net>

    >Actually I don't recall any Vulcan ever having a beard.

            Maybe they mean to refer to the well-known child psychologist Dr. Spock
    (don't know whether or not he had a beard). Remember, though, the Trek
    episode when they went into an alternate dimension or something, and the
    crew as evil. The evil Spock had a gotee, if I'm not mistaken :)>.

                                            Dale R. Newberry

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    Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:13:21 +0200
    From: te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Nice to be back again, but......
    Message-ID: <199609020914.LAA27977@adeptus.student.hgs.se>

         Hi fellow jammers!

       It certainly feels good to be back again among the intelligent prople on
    the web again.... *grin* (Ok, got that over and done with...) So, here are a
    few things that I wanted to mention....

    1) All of you guys who haven't signed up for the "Prog tape swap", do
    it now! I was in the first (?) swap was not disappointed, I got turned on to
    alot of good music that i hadn't heard of earlier (ie: Cairo, Anacrusis
    etc..)......

    2) I know there must be a lot of places to talk live to other jammers,
    anyone wan't to enlighten a fellow jammer where to meet other people???
    Perhaps on powwow????

    3) Is there a FAQ with all the rumours and shit that I know I have
    missed while being on holiday, anyone????

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       "Fuck!"

                Quentin Tarantino, From dusk till dawn

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    Mika Numminen
    email: te95mne@student.hgs.se
    homepage: http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne

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    Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 11:13:21 +0200
    From: te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Nice to be back again, but......
    Message-ID: <199609020914.LAA27979@adeptus.student.hgs.se>

         Hi fellow jammers!

       It certainly feels good to be back again among the intelligent prople on
    the web again.... *grin* (Ok, got that over and done with...) So, here are a
    few things that I wanted to mention....

    1) All of you guys who haven't signed up for the "Prog tape swap", do
    it now! I was in the first (?) swap was not disappointed, I got turned on to
    alot of good music that i hadn't heard of earlier (ie: Cairo, Anacrusis
    etc..)......

    2) I know there must be a lot of places to talk live to other jammers,
    anyone wan't to enlighten a fellow jammer where to meet other people???
    Perhaps on powwow????

    3) Is there a FAQ with all the rumours and shit that I know I have
    missed while being on holiday, anyone????

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -------

       "Fuck!"

                Quentin Tarantino, From dusk till dawn

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    -------

    Mika Numminen
    email: te95mne@student.hgs.se
    homepage: http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne

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