YTSEJAM Digest 1855
Today's Topics:
1) Re: of course i meant 1996
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
2) i'm in the posting mood (only 3 posts)
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) mirc
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
4) King's X mailing list
by RANDALL W AQUINO <asrwa2@UAA.ALASKA.EDU>
5) suicide and stuff.
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@serbia-c.it.earthlink.net>
6) To navigate waters, and finally answer to Yes! Part 1
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1851
by DYNAMOJOE@aol.com
8) To navigate waters, and finally answer to Yes! Part 2
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
9) Net chain letters
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
10) working man C.D.
by GREG <gkrasnos@webspan.net>
11) promised land song length?
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
12) Re: Joe Stump
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
13) new GC EP out Oct 8th (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1853
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
15) Fw:
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
16) Yip yip!
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:06:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: of course i meant 1996
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.960920175948.13086B-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> DT: Does ANYBODY else look at the titles for the songs on the new album
> and think "these titles look like something you'd see on a Michael Bolton
> album...." anyone?? "Take Away my pain"??? "Just let me breathe"???
It would be cool if the new DT songs with the weakest titles became the
heaviest on the album. Damn it...Metropolis part II: "this will kick your
fucking ass" better be on the album. Or if they don't put it on the album,
they could have an EP with it. The rest of the songs could be alternative
bands trying to cover DT songs. That would be interesting. I just know
that Green Day could cover "take the time" with no problem. :)
Brandon (aka Taco Belhai)
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:08:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: i'm in the posting mood (only 3 posts)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.960920180619.13086C-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Hello again for the 3rd time. Don't worry, I know my limit.
A fellow jammer a while told me that at the encore of a Pearl Jam show
(around a year ago), they covered "pull me under." Anyone know if this is
true?
Brandon (aka Taco Belhai)
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:50:05 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: mirc
Message-ID: <324349CD.6D3F@dreamt.org>
Will someone send me a copy of mirc to download so I can get #ytsejam
with my new server tonight?
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:56:34 -0800
From: RANDALL W AQUINO <asrwa2@UAA.ALASKA.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: King's X mailing list
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960920145503.654794868A-100000@UAA.ALASKA.EDU>
I've just recently tried to resubcribe to the King's X mailing list and
haven't been successfull. Does anyone know if the address has changed to
something other than what it used to be?
Randy
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 18:10:32 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@serbia-c.it.earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: suicide and stuff.
Message-ID: <199609202303.QAA16725@hungary.it.earthlink.net>
> He was a drug addict and got into a deep funk which led him to throw
> himself in front of a reather swift moving train. Was quite a good
> drumer. I don't feel bad though because he was weak enough to use
> drugs, and weak enough to commit suicide.
let me first start by saying that i don't intend for this to be a
flame in anyway, but my gut wrenched reading this and i felt the need
to respond. i think that's a terribly cold-hearted statement to
make. i won't comment on the drug portion of it due to my lack of
first hand experience, but i feel my 23 years of dealing with manic
depression gives me more then enough experience to discuss mental
illness and suicide.
people that commit suicide obviously are people that have severe
emotional problems. alot of times these problems are medically
documented and diagnosed mental illnesses. this being the case,
"weak enough to commit suicide" is an ignorant statement to make.
someone who's mentally ill can be incapacitated in their ability to
think clearly and properly, and often times unable to reach out for
help. this is *no* different then someone who, say for example, has
asthma and is unable to breathe at times. the only difference
between the two instances is that one is an affliction of the mind,
and one is an affliction of the body. contrary to what (it seems
like) many people think, just as you can't will yourself to stop a
severe asthma attack, you can't simply "pull yourself out of the rut"
and stop feeling depressed, suicidal, whatever your problem may be.
mental illness. the key word here is illness. people don't ask to
be that way, they simply are. and unfortunately, in many cases,
those afflicted are left dealing with it for the rest of their lives.
from what i've read and understand from my own personal experience,
no one who commits suicide wants to die. they simply no longer want
to live. try putting yourself in the shoes of someone who feels so
little about themselves, their surroundings, their mind, etc. that
they would rather end their life then to keep on living it. i feel
the utmost pity for those people. they need help, they don't need
critisisms.
if anyone wishes to learn more about mental illness, check out the
following link:
http://www.mindspring.com/~hugman/pendulum/
there's good information there as well as links to other pages.
i know this was totally off the subject of the normal discussions for
the list, but i wouldn't have posted it if i didn't feel it could
possibly do some good.
Andrew
Andrew Miller - Keyboardist/Composer - SubtleRage
subtlerage@earthlink.net - http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:11:41 -0700
From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To navigate waters, and finally answer to Yes! Part 1
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960921021141.006945f0@mail.alliance.net>
Aww yeah, I love talking about Yes. :)
Rip said:
>thats rather screwey... who was the original lineup, and is there a key
>member here? damn, i'm just all confused.. whoever is still around from
>the beginning should get the band, and they should just tell everyone else
>to piss off ;)
> Steve Howe _OWNS_ the Yes logo. Chris Squire _OWNS_ the Yes
> name.
I know why Chris owns the Yes name, simply for the fact that he is the only
one to be on all Yes albums, but I don't understand why Steve Howe owns the
"classic" Yes logo, because he didn't create it, artist Roger Dean did.
Syrinx gave a taste of the lineups:
>The _ORIGIONAL_ lineup is:
<snip>
Ok, since I am a Yes nut, I'll give you all of the lineups, and a tad of
history. Please don't kill me for this. :)
mid 1969-mid 1970 (The original members)
Albums Recorded: Yes, Time And A Word
-------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Bill Bruford-Drums, Peter Banks-Guitar, Chris
Squire-Bass, Tony Kaye-Keyboards
Mid 1970-early 1971 (Looked upon as a "transitional" lineup)
Album Recorded: The Yes Album
-------------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Bill Bruford-Drums, Steve Howe-Guitar, Chris
Squire-Bass, Tony Kaye-Keyboards
Early 1971-late 1972 (Most Yes fans consider this to be the definitive lineup)
Albums Recorded: Fragile, Close To The Edge
--------------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Bill Bruford-Drums, Steve Howe-Guitar, Chris
Squire-Bass, Rick Wakeman-Keyboards
Late 1972-late 1974 (not much of a change, Bill Bruford left, Alan White joined)
Album Recorded: Tales From Topographic Oceans
-------------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Alan White-Drums, Steve Howe-Guitar, Chris Squire-Bass,
Rick Wakeman-Keyboards
Late 1974-late 1976 (This lineup toured heavily, and all did solo albums)
Album Recorded: Relayer
--------------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Alan White-Drums, Steve Howe-Guitar, Chris Squire-Bass,
Patrick Moraz-Keyboards
Early 1977-late 1979 (Rick Wakeman came back after a dismal short solo career)
Albums Recorded: Going For The One, Tormato
--------------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Alan White-Drums, Steve Howe-Guitar, Chris Squire-Bass,
Rick Wakeman-Keyboards
Well, I'm going to post the rest of this in another post...
More to come...
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| -=Jeremy Hyde=- |
| aka |
| -=Tempus=- |
|-=#ytsejam scribe=-|
|tempus@alliance.net|
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:12:35 -0400
From: DYNAMOJOE@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1851
Message-ID: <960920191234_106871617@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Jammers,
I'm usually a "lurker" on here but I had to post this which I just
found out.
ATTENTION all south Florida Jammers: Saturday Sept 21st is DRUMFEST '96
sponsored by Resurrection Drums in Hallandale from noon to 7pm at "Club
Zippers" which is next door to the drum shop. Tickets are $5 at the door and
the lineup:
Van Romaine --Steve Morse Band
Cindy Blackman -- Lenny Kravitz
Horacio Hernandez -- Michel Camilo (?)
AND
Mike Portnoy --- I wonder what band........
I think Mike is supposed to go on early -- somewhere around 1 -- 1:30 or so.
The place is located at 2920 SW 30th Ave Hallandale FL, phone: 954-457-9022.
After missing his clinic a few weeks ago, I'm NOT missing this one. I'll
probably be wearing my purple YTSEJAM shirt so I hope to see a few Jammers
there tomorrow!!
Later people
Dave
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:21:49 -0700
From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To navigate waters, and finally answer to Yes! Part 2
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960921022149.00666888@mail.alliance.net>
Ok, now on to part 2...
During these years, not as much was recorded, but there was a lot of weird
stuff going on with Yes.
Early 1980-late 1980 (This lineup had a drastic change, the Buggles joined Yes)
Album Recorded: Drama
--------------------
Trevor Horn-Vocals, Alan White-Drums, Steve Howe-Guitar, Chris Squire-Bass,
Geoff Downes-Keyboards
Trevor Horn, wary of singing live, left Yes. Steve Howe and Geoff Downes
wanting a change, left Yes and went on to form Asia. The only members that
were left were Chris Squire and Alan White. In many peoples minds, Yes had
broken up. Alan and Chris, not wanting to say whether or not Yes was over,
recorded a single as a duo, called "Run With The Fox." They also started
working with Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, but it was dissolved by the
managers of Yes and Zeppelin. Wanting to get something going again, they
got Trevor Rabin (who at the time was going to sing lead and play guitar)
and called Tony Kaye in to form a new band which was going under the working
title of "Cinema." Jon Anderson wasn't doing anything, so he went to the
studio when the album was being recorded, and wanted to sing on all of these
new songs. He did, the rest liked his vocals on the tracks, and WHAM-O, Yes
was reborn.
Early 1983-mid 1989 (This lineup got Yes their first #1 single, "Owner Of A
Lonely Heart")
Albums Recorded: 90125, Big Generator
-------------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Alan White-Drums, Trevor Rabin-Guitar, Chris
Squire-Bass, Tony Kaye-Keyboards
1989...
Jon, sick of Trevor Rabin's ALMOST complete takeover of Yes (during Big
Generator) left and formed a new group (Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe)
with former members of Yes. Yes had gone on a hiatus.
1991...
ABWH is at work on their 2nd album, while Yes isn't really doing much of
anything, they decide to get back together, and create a 8 man superYes.
Early 1991-mid 1992 (The big Yes reunion, which didn't last for long)
Album Recorded: Union
-------------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Alan White-Drums, Bill Bruford-Drums, Steve
Howe-Guitar, Trevor Rabin-Guitar, Chris Squire-Bass, Rick Wakeman-Keyboards,
Tony Kaye-Keyboards
All ABWH members left, except for Jon Anderson. They went on to record yet
another Rabin dominated record (he even went as far to replace most of Chris
Squire's bass with a synthesised bass).
Mid 1992-late 1994 (Trevor Rabin's last stand ;))
Album Recorded: Talk
------------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Alan White-Drums, Trevor Rabin-Guitar, Chris
Squire-Bass, Tony Kaye-Keyboards
Trevor got booted out for his total takeover (don't mess with Chris Squire!)
of Yes. Tony Kaye, developed arthritis and tired of playing. He is now
doing band management. Secretly, they reformed the lineup that recorded
Tales From Topographic Oceans, Going For The One, and Tormato. They played
3 shows in San Luis Obispo earlier this year for the new live album, which
will feature 2 new studio tracks!
Mid 1995-now!!! (What us Yes fans were waiting for!)
Album Recorded: Keys To Ascension
------------------
Jon Anderson-Vocals, Alan White-Drums, Steve Howe-Guitar, Chris Squire-Bass,
Rick Wakeman-Keyboards
Keys To Ascension is slated to come out in October, look for it!
Well, I'd like to thank all of you who read this post for putting up with
me. Thank you, and goodnight. :)
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| -=Jeremy Hyde=- |
| aka |
| -=Tempus=- |
|-=#ytsejam scribe=-|
|tempus@alliance.net|
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 16:34:44 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Net chain letters
Message-ID: <9609202334.AA18798@tengs1>
The best way to stop these is to confirm such things
from a source *other than the 'net*. And not from someone
else who heard it from the 'net. I read about this subject
in the paper two days before I read it here though I
uhderstand that it was brought to the SJ Merc's attention
precisely because it was being forwarded around. Doubtless,
we will see that stupid "PKZIP" thing come our way again...
Zach
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:35:59 -0400
From: GREG <gkrasnos@webspan.net>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: working man C.D.
Message-ID: <32432A5F.3C58@webspan.net>
I recently purchased The Rush Tribute C.D "THe Working Man" and found
out that is was out of print. Does anybody know why? It is a killer
disc.
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 17:10:49 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: promised land song length?
Message-ID: <9609210010.AA19715@tengs1>
We know that QR is the thinking mans, er, person's band.
With that in mind, lets see...
8:25 - 7:57 = 28 seconds.
2+8=10.
and 1/0 is undefined, therefore:
This proves without a doubt that a member or members
of the band Queensryche are lurking on this list!
As for Geoff not saying "The" Promised land, remember,
this is the country where most people: write "no one" as
"noone", don't know when it's appropriate to use "too"
instead of "to", don't realize that an "'s" does *not*
denote plurality, that "whose" is the past tense of "who is",
say "if I was" instead of "if I were" for conditional tense,
etc...
Of course, if Promised Land is a proper name (e.g. Great Britan),
than I don't think there is a mistake :^)>
Zach
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:41:52 -0400
From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Joe Stump
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960921004152.006951e4@mail.ee.net>
>
On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:43:58 Thomas Bell <cmbell@inx.net> said:
>
> I am curious if anyone on the list is in to a guitarist named Joe
>Stump? I attended a summer program at Berklee this year and was honered to
>have him as a teacher. I have seen ads in magazines about him and reviews
>for two of his albums in guitar world but didn't truly know who he was until
>I met him. His cd Supersonic Shred Machine is an awesome instrumental cd.
>It is kind of in the vein of Yngwie, but I prefer this to listeneing to
>Yngwie any day. If you like old Yngwie you would probally like this cd. It
>has some of the fastest shred guitar played with taste that I have heard in
>a long time.
>Corey Bell
>
>
This guy completely shreds. I have three of his CDs (that might be all
of them). They are:
Guitar Dominance - Leviathan 199312
Night of the Living Shred - Leviathan 19943-2
Supersonic Shred Machine - Leviathan 199622
I bought these CDs at a Media Play store in Columbus, OH so they
shouldn't be too hard to find.
He mostly plays a strat through Marshall stacks. He is blindingly fast.
His influences are thanked on all his albums: Paganini, Hendrix, Malmsteen,
Blackmore, and Gary Moore. He plays faster than anyone I have EVER heard.
He uses no harmonizers yet gets amazing tones at amazing speeds. His music
is extremely tasteful and carefully composed. The CDs are strictly
instrumental. Petrucci hasn't attempted stuff like this since the Guitar
Player Spotlight pieces he did. These CDs are bold and ambitious, extremely
well-executed, and certainly not for the faint of heart. He also provides
some cutting commentary in the liner notes for SSM about the current
state of guitar playing in the popular music world.
If you like him, you might also want to check out David T. Chastain and
Michael Harris, also on Leviathan Records.
Joe Kruger
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:51:54 -0400
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new GC EP out Oct 8th (NDTC)
Message-ID: <v01520d01ae68a0b0dacf@[207.90.122.135]>
FYI, the new Galactic Cowboys' EP entitled "Feel The Rage" is going to be
(tentatively) released on October 8th on Metal Blade Records. It will have
the Machine Fish song, plus some new GC songs, and some cover tunes.
If you're a GC fan, go out and buy this on Oct 8th!! Thanks.
Also, check out my GC page in the coming weeks. I've been updating stuff
like crazy lately since I got back to school, however I only get about 2
hours a day to work on it. There's a lot of new stuff on there or on the
way...
Later,
Dan
---+ +---
Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys & Precious Death Pages"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/pd/pdeath.htm
---+ +---
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:05:04 -0700
From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@allinux1.alliance.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1853
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960921040504.006a1860@mail.alliance.net>
Jazzmin said this in Ytsejam digest 1853:
>Pink Floyd as it is known today may not have any of the originals, or only
>one, I forget if Nick/Rick is/are still with them or not. David Gilmore
>replaced Syd Barrett, Roger split in '89... This might be one band that
>meets yr criteria.
>
>Of course, I can be wrong. Just not very often.
Well, put this in the record books, Jazzmin is wrong. ;) Sorry, nothing
against you. :)
Pink Floyd originally was:
Syd Barrett, Nick Mason, Richard Wright, and Roger Waters.
David Gilmour was brought in as a second guitarist/singer, then Syd was
kicked out for his wacked out behavior. That was back in 1970, I believe.
Roger Waters did not leave in 1989. He left in December of 1985. If he had
left in 1989, he would've had some involvement in Momentary Lapse Of Reason,
which came out in 1987. Roger has been long gone. :)
Enough of me.
All-knowing, and all powerful Tempus...not!
Aww, everyone's got to be stuck-up sometime. :)
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| -=Jeremy Hyde=- |
| aka |
| -=Tempus=- |
|-=#ytsejam scribe=-|
|tempus@alliance.net|
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:24:01 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: <acregan@amherst.edu>, <be83303@binghamton.edu>, <mithrandir@pb.net>,
Subject: Fw:
Message-ID: <199609210127.SAA00250@pawn.ax.com>
This message is for anyone who may need to reach me via email and world
wide web:
After several, serious occurances of problems with my Internet Service
Provider, Long Island Internet Headquarters, I have decided to switch
ISP's. My frustration has reached it's boiling point due to Long Island
Internet HQ misplacing my web page, misplacing my mail, failing to read my
many email pleas for a reason (for these problems), etc.. My business
relationship with them culminated in disaster, this morning, upon
attempting to connect to their bank of modems, and being disconnected
immediately (or within 5 minutes) 29 out of 30 times. In my book, this is
unacceptable. An ISP's responsibility is connectability. If they can't
offer that, no amount of free web pages and email addresses are going to
make up for it. I am truely sorry if I have inconvenienced any of you in
any way, and you can all reach me this new address:
and when I complete my new web page, the URL will be:
http://www.vastnet.net/~mojonet
Thank you for being wonderful email friends and colegues...and I hope to
see you on Vastnet.
Frank Benenati
MojoMan
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:21:50 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yip yip!
Message-ID: <199609210221.TAA28593@m5.sprynet.com>
Yayayayay!
Just saw ELP/Jethro Tull last night. It was better than HORDE. :)
They played Pictures at an Exhibition (from Baba Yaga to the end) for me.
DUH DUH DUHDUHDUHDUH DUH DUH DUHDUHDUHDUH DUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUH! Then
they finished. Then they played Fanfare for the Common Man. Keith Emerson
dragged out his Hammond organ....then proceded to rock it, stab it and jump
on it. Then he laid down and had the organ on top of him...and then played
Tocotta en Fugue on an upside down keyboard. Then came Carl Palmer's
shirt-tearing-off-double-bass-gong solo. That was entertaining. They
finished with that, then Jethro Tull came on. They were great. Opened up
with that one song..."SITTING ON A PARK BENCH" dadadada daaaadaaaaa you
know. :) Played a bunch of cool schtuff, Ian Anderson cracking jokes all the
while. I can't get over his flute playing...it's awesome. I don't know if
he's double tonguing real fast, or something else, but he's got a trillish
one note rapid fire thing that blew me away. And, I got to see a bass flute.
:) Enough o dat....time to reply to stuff.
>actually mr chase is alive and well and filming a movie in las vegas.
>National Lampoons Las Vegas Vacation, to be released summer '97.
>Supposedly this is the one that is going to revive his carreer.
Cool! Maybe you'll see me in the background. :)
>Oh, good point. I used the wrong phrase there. I suppose I should have said
>"we musicians", since the term "shed" is used mainly by musicians (or at
>least the ones I've run into).
>
So then you're implying that I'm not a musician?
>311. Ha! One hit wonders of the 90's.
Don't start bashing 311 now, man. They grooooooove.
>DT: Does ANYBODY else look at the titles for the songs on the new album
>and think "these titles look like something you'd see on a Michael Bolton
>album...." anyone?? "Take Away my pain"??? "Just let me breathe"???
I thought that Surrounded would be heavy, and that Under a Glass Moon would
be soft. Titles don't mean much. :)
>4. ELP: Pictures At An Exibition
YEAH! Baba Yaga baby. :)
>Subject: RR: YTSEJAM digest 1851
>Message-ID: <199609202037.PAA15108@wichita.fn.net>
>
>Message Received
>
Uh oh.
>Chris Squire must be very innovative, a gass guitar???, I guess when all
>the lectricity stops flowin, ya gotta do something
He just has to be sure he doesn't lite up a ciggie while playing. That could
have dangerous results. :)
<pbbt> FOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!! "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!"
Lataz. :)
Ben Laussade
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